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Re: [TowerTalk] measuring impedances with a VNA

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] measuring impedances with a VNA
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:47:54 -0700
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On 7/30/2019 10:16 PM, Edward Mccann via TowerTalk wrote:
Not much written on how to do it, or how to interpret results, best I can find.

http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf

There's a photo of a well thought-out test fixture here. Scroll to the very bottom of the page.

http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/

The author succumbed to cancer a year or two ago. While I trust his measurement work, his recommendations for chokes should NOT be trusted, simply because he failed to realize the significance of the relatively broad manufacturing tolerances of the ferrite cores on which the chokes are wound.

The work that produced my Cookbook included the measurement of more than 200 cores to understand where they fit in the tolerance window, from which I selected cores at tolerance limits to wind chokes, and based the cookbook on the worst case of each winding! That took a year. :)

To evaluate Steve's recommendations for #52 chokes, I purchased 40 of the 2.4-in o.d. #52 cores, splitting the purchase between four major electronics distributors over a period of about six weeks. I characterized each core as I had my work for the cookbook, then wound chokes on cores selected from the limits. None of the chokes matched Steve's recommendations.

While I haven't done this for #43 cores, I'm pretty certain that the result would be the same, because #43 and #52 cores are NiZn ferrite mixes, which have much higher Q at HF (and thus much narrower resonance curves) than #31, which is a MnZn mix especially designed for use at HF, and which exhibits far broader resonance at HF.

This test circuit is optimum for measuring high values of impedance.  The choke is placed in series between input and output of a Vector Network analyzer, forming a simple voltage divider between the choke and the 50 ohm input Z of the VNA. The impedance of the choke is found by solving the voltage divider equation.

The VNA I use is the VNWA3e, designed by DG8SAQ and sold by some hams in the UK. DG8SAQ's control and measurement software includes a math "solver" that reads data for S21 (Vout/Vin) and can be programmed to solve that equation and plot the results for each sweep in real time.

73, Jim K9YC

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