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Re: [TowerTalk] Beverage impedance change in cold WX solved

To: VE6WZ_Steve <ve6wz@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Beverage impedance change in cold WX solved
From: Mpridesti via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Mpridesti <mpridesti@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:35:09 -0500
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Steve

I always wondered what people do in the dead of winter in VE6 land. Mystery 
solved!

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jan 21, 2020, at 7:16 PM, VE6WZ_Steve <ve6wz@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> A few days ago I posted a video explaining some experiments I did adding 
> short radials to my feed and termination grounds on the Beverage.
> During that week temperatures went as low as -41 C at the station.
> 
> The mystery has been solved.
> 
> I wondered if the frozen ground was limiting conductivity and upsetting the 
> ground resistance part of the impedance. The experiments showed that adding 
> radials to stabilize the frozen ground had no effect.
> 
> In the video I show how the real resistance of the 920 foot galvanized steel 
> wire might drop 10-20 Ohms when the temperature drops 50 deg C from the 
> summertime.  This would mean that I need a LOWER termination resistor to 
> match the surge impedance.
> However, I also show that the ceramic termination resistor I use has a very 
> high negative temperature coefficient (-1300 C). This results in an INCREASE 
> of  30 to 40 ohms in my 470 Ohm termination resistor.  Therefore, the 
> termination could be 40 to 60 Ohms too low!!  I show in the video that the 
> resistor does indeed increase by 40 Ohms when I chucked it out my back door 
> at -30C for an hour.
> 
> Today I was at the remote and it has warmed up to -1C (35 deg C warmer) and 
> the analyzer sweep of the wire has mostly returned to it summer time reading.
> 
> This seems to indicate that the main cause of the Beverage miss match is the 
> temperature coefficient of the wire and the termination resistor. Obviously 
> the ground is still just as frozen today as it was last week at the feed and 
> termination and under the wire length!  Perhaps I will look into changing the 
> term resistor with a metal foil unit that has a positive temperature 
> coefficient.  Carbon composition units also have a negative TC, but not as 
> severe as the ceramic units.  Those ceramic units are almost like 
> thermistors! (well….not really)
> 
> However, as I said in the video, this is like a “solution looking for a 
> problem” because few Hams experience these extreme temperature changes, and 
> even when we do, it's just for a short time.  Also, Beverage modelling shows 
> that the termination resistor can effect the F/B, but it has limited effect 
> on the RDF which is what really matters.  This exercise was done mostly out 
> of interest and to try and solve the puzzle.
> 
> I made a new video showing the sweeps I made today if interested.  The video 
> includes the original content so if you've seem that just jump to the end.
> 
> YouTube video here: https://youtu.be/3Oft826Q8tA 
> <https://youtu.be/3Oft826Q8tA>
> 
> 
> 
> 73, de steve ve6wz
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