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Re: [TowerTalk] Peak Voltage at the tips of ants ?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Peak Voltage at the tips of ants ?
From: "Lux, Jim" <jim@luxfamily.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 08:30:26 -0700
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On 10/4/22 8:07 AM, jim.thom jim.thom@telus.net wrote:
Ok, simple question.  With 1.5 kw  (measured at feedpoint)  applied to the
50 ohm input  of the (full sized) dipole / yagi... what is the PEAK V at
the tips ?   Assume 1:1 swr at the feedpoint.

Same question, but ant is not full size, and may have various forms of
loading schemes used.  (Say 50-80%) of full size.


Ok, what about  a single, full size  1/4 wave vertical ?   Or a loaded
vertical ?


I can't find a straight answer anywhere.


That's because it's not an easy question to answer.

The typical model starts with constraining the current at the ends to be zero, and then you can solve for the impedance, and that gives you the current and voltage at the feedpoint.

One approach is to run a code like NEC, and look at the electric near field, but that doesn't give you a "voltage relative to 'ground' " it gives you a field.  You can integrate that out to a large distance and get an approximation.

You can also approach it from a "transmission line" sort of approach, in that the 1/4 wavelength arms are sort of a transmission line, but it turns out that antennas aren't transmission lines, because they radiate, so the energy at the ends is not the energy at the feedpoint.

A similar problem arises in tesla coils, and there, you can get reasonably good estimates by numerical integration, which have been confirmed by measurements.  The typical setup is to have a e field probe, and then drive the tesla coil, *off resonance*, with a known voltage, then measure the e field. That gives you a reasonably accurate measurement of volts on the probe relative to volts at the top of the coil.

You could do the same for an antenna.  The key is driving the antenna well away from resonance (at DC even) so you get the right probe/antenna scale factor, which is highly dependent on all the parasitic capacitances.  Then you can drive it at resonance and find out the number in use.


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