[AMPS] 811H's on CB

[Wt8r@aol.com]

 On 8/29/00 11:48:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, da_kang@hotmail.com wrote:

>I'm disturbed by the posts from our "friend" in Texas that a lot of
>11H amplifiers are turning up on CB.


Well, design the amplifier so it isn't so easy to modify for 10/11 meter 
operation.  Simple enough fix.  The "green wire" modification was so simple 
that most CBers that wanna run high power can figure it out for themselves.

This is only MORE of the same old CB DRIVEL....Hey Bubba, I'M going to break 
the law and there is nothing you can do about it.  It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY 
(the manufacturer) to make a radio that I can't modify - it is the 
manufacturer's fault.  

This makes about as much sense as saying, I'm going to break the speed limit 
when I drive my car but it is the auto manufacturer's RESPONSIBILITY to keep 
me from doing it or building a car that can exceed the speed limt...it is NOT 
my fault.

Or, it is the gun manufacturer's RESPONSIBILITY to produce a gun that will 
only kill birds and squirrels but not humans.  

>I'm trying to think of a solution for this problem.

C'mon Tom, it isn't hard.  Take the input transformer out.  Make it a "kit", 
available to amateur radio operators only.  This isn't rocket science..  You 
telling me that you can't figure out how to take 10 meters out of an 
amplifier, and make it a plug in module, but you can design a multiband 
amplifier?

Here we have a potential criminal telling a legal manufacturer how to run his 
business.
 
>I'm considering suggesting parts be left out, and made available
>from the factory only with a copy of a valid amateur license.


A La other manufacturers.  This idea works well.  It keeps the amps off the 
11 meter band (God forbid one of the Cbers run a clean amplifier...) and if 
a licensed amateur can't figure out how to solder in a input transformer, or 
a slug tuned coil (or just air wound, for that matter), they have no 
business operating at the hundred watt level, much less 600+.

Here we have a lid Cber telling FCC licensed Radio Amateurs that they know 
nothing and that Cbers know everything.  Is this a farce or what?  Maybe he 
wants to get his DBs up.

>In addition perhaps adding a notice in each amplifier that any use
>without proof of a license will void all warranty, and having all tech
>support require proof of a license.

What makes you think any Cb'er is going to pay attention to anything he reads 
if he does not respect the LAW?

 This is going to accomplish nothing.  As well as to the gentlemen that said 
you should look into patents on the "use".  C'mon.  Do you honestly think 
that a CBer is going to not use an amplifier because the licensing of the 
purchase of the amplifier states he can't?
I mean really now.  Lets look at this from a reality standpoint, rather than 
the pipe dreams.  If your honestly going to persue that method, keep the 
green wire in their...  It will be MORE effective.

Again, the outlaw CB'er says that you don't really expect HIM to obey the LAW 
do you?
 
>Does anyone have any suggestions for a possible solution? The
>last thing we need is the FCC finding that the rules they have now
>aren't doing the job.


Sorry Tom, I don't buy it.  Honestly, it sounds like a design engineer that 
is scared that the thought of the simple "green wire" mod getting to be 
public knowledge will get back to the FCC, and they will make you change it, 
or you will face retribution because of making a modification to operate on 
11 meters too easy.  When I first found out about the "green wire", I 
laughed, and my first thought was "This has to be done for CBers"....  
Weather that was your intention or not, the simplicity of it gives the 
impression.
 
I find it interesting that a truck driver knows more about electronics that 
an engineer.  Here the outlaw Cb'er is disparaging the manufacturer's attempt 
to comply with the law while he completely disregards it..  Of course, the 
law means nothing to a toll free Cb'er. I wonder if da_king has ever thought 
about the RESULT of everyone on the air disregerding all rules and doing 
whatever they want to do ??????

As for the rules they have now not doing the job?  Your right, they don't.  
Why do you need an amp that can be driven with 35 watts to do legal limit?  
(a la dual 3CX800 amps)?  I can get any single final CB radio to do 20 or so 
watts cleanly, and the dual final radios would have no problem obtaining 
legal limit from one of these.  last time I checked, most amateur 
transceivers put out 100 watts PEP (I know, their are exceptions, but the 
big Gap ones most all do)...  Seems to me the only reason for the lower 
drive level (by design) is to get MORE than legal limit with full (or higher 
than recommended) drive.  The AL1500 says it can do 2200+ with the 100 watts >
my TS440 puts out.  Why even advertise that?  Because it is a selling 
feature..  To the amateur who cares about quality, it means the amp is 
overbuilt (that could be argued both ways), and to the one looking to 
operate illegally, QRO, it means they can buy a AL1500 (or most any other 
8877 amp, for that matter..  I really am NOT trying to pick on Ameritron 
amps.) and get half a S unit greater signal than the guy next door running 
the 3CX1200 with 100 watts more drive.
 
>Or do you all think the fellow in Texas is just trolling for a fight or
>enjoys insults, and it isn't really a problem?

Sorry Tom, I tell it like it is.  Up until this point, the reflector hasn't 
had the outlook from the 11 meter crowd  (be that good or bad).  From the 
day I saw the Ameritron amps, I have always thought that your "budget line" 
was destined to be in the hands of CBers.  (especially with the "green 
wire")  6LQ6 tubes, 811As...  The price is right, and they will be used.

However, look at the flip side..  Take the "bargain basement" prices and 
models away, and ALL the CBers are going to be running the crap DaveMades 
and other no biased or Class C junk, and tearing up 10 meters worse than the 
freebanders running the FT1000s and 8877 amps are today.

Toll Free
 
Here the CB'er extroadinaire extols the virtues of disregarding the law 
completely.  It is obvious that this wolf person, whoever he is, has little 
regard for the law and those who do.  I say again, what is this person hiding 
and why is he afraid the give his name?  Any legitimate person has NO reason 
to remain anonymous.

>73, Tom W8JI
>w8ji@contesting.com

This type of attitude and action is what makes CB'ers so DISTASTEFUL to 
Amateur Radio operators.  

The above ranting BS only goes to show that if a law does not suit the 
purposes of a CB'er, they want it changed or disregard it.  Sounds like the 
Clinton administration.

Once again it is clearly demonstrated: A distinct difference between Amateurs 
and CB'ers, is the regard for the law which Amateurs have and CB'ers don't.

Dave, WT8R 

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