[AMPS] 811H's on CB
michael watts
wy6k@yahoo.com
Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:41:50 -0700 (PDT)
You understate the interference problem.
Here in Northern California the lower 25Khz of
10meters is filled with CBers on AM and SSB. There
have two instances in the last week where I was unable
to work two Dxpeditions with weak signals because of
this interference.
My solution will be to put my 10 meter yagi back up -
I've been using a ground plane.
I would be interested in the justifcation if your
statement that amps are operated more skillfully by
CBers than by Hams.
Mike wy6k
--- Eric Dobrowansky <kk2ed@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Flame suit on........ (I DO NOT promote such
> activity, but I am also not
> blind to the real world!)
>
>
>
> I love listening to fellow hams complain about CBers
> encroaching on 10 or
> 12m. Hams just love to "blame CBers" for all bad
> and evil that happens on
> the ham bands. Wake up and listen to 75m one
> evening! It makes the CB
> freebanders sound like pros!
>
> The situation is hyped up to be worse than it really
> is. In the 15 yrs as a
> ham I have been very active on 10m, and in all those
> years have heard maybe
> 5 incidents of CBers encroaching 10m, down around
> 28.05 or so. Four of
> these cases were taxi/livery drivers in the NYC
> area. And thanks to a ham (I
> think it was W6TER (in 2-lander at the time) in the
> NYC area, a few local
> "busts" which involved the TLC & FCC cleaned up the
> problem. This was in
> the heavily populated NYC area. I can't imagine it
> being any worse anywhere
> else in the country. Oh-yes, and a few
> Spanish-speaking stations when the
> band opens up. And it isn't the amplifiers that put
> them on the ham bands.
> Their amp was just an addition to their operation.
>
> The CBers that are buying these high-price "ham"
> amplifiers are operating
> them with more skill than the average ham, stay
> within the so-called
> "freeband (26-28MHz), and know where/how to operate
> without attracting
> unnecessary attention (i.e.: 28.0-29.7 MHz, 24.5
> MHz). Some are hams
> themselves. Some have even been unfortunate enough
> to get caught up in it
> (look at the recent FCC enforcement logs)
>
> BTW, I'd rather have them using the cleaner
> ham-grade amplifiers rather than
> some of the gray-market wideband and dirty solid
> state transistor boxes that
> are readily available to them.
>
> It amazes me how fellow hams can sit there and put
> down these "lowly CB
> operators", when in fact most of them were CBers at
> one time and have many
> "skeletons in the closet" themselves! Nothing
> sickens me worse than the
> Extra-class ham operators I know who think they are
> "mightier than thou",
> but can't even solder a PL259 connector properly
> (only one example), yet can
> criticize a CBer who knows more about radio than the
> hams of late.
>
> I was into the CB scene for a good while before ham
> radio. Let me tell you,
> I met many nice people from that arena, even the two
> hams (elmers) that
> sparked my interest into ham radio. To this day we
> still feel we had more
> fun on CB than we do now on the ham bands. Don't
> get me wrong, I enjoy ham
> radio, after all, it's what you make of it. But
> let's not label all CBers
> bad.
>
> As far as the manufacturers are concerned, they will
> never openly admit it,
> but fact be known that the freebander scene accounts
> for a good portion of
> their sales. This also applies to the big three
> radio manufacturers. Maybe
> we should remove general coverage rx from the newer
> radios as well, avoiding
> the possibility that a diode may be cut here or
> there! No need to have
> 0-30MHz to accommodate the MARS operators. Most rigs
> already have enough
> overlap to accommodate MARS. Do you really think
> the manufacturers want to
> remove the hidden feature that results in more
> sales?
>
> Hams should get off of the rules/regs soapbox and
> start devoting their time
> to technical issues. What was the last major
> contribution to the
> communications industry that ham radio has been
> responsible for? digital
> voice transmission ? trunking ? CDMA,TDMA,
> spread spectrum ? I think
> not! The last I can recall was packet radio.
> Admit it, this hobby is
> nothing more than a bunch of glorified appliance
> operators nowadays. Sad but
> true.....
>
>
> Flame suit off........
>
>
>
>
> 73 Eric
> KK2ED
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael watts" <wy6k@yahoo.com>
> To: <W8JI@contesting.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [AMPS] 811H's on CB
>
>
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I can't help with the actual legal advice. But if
> you
> > get to the point where you are getting legal
> advice on
> > this issue, you might also investigate the
> feasibility
> > of "terms of sale" that include the provision that
> the
> > amp is only for sale to licensed amateurs and will
> > only be repaired when accompanied by proof of
> > purchase. I know getting such a "terms of sale"
> > document signed might be difficult given the
> realities
> > of distribution. But perhaps notice in the proper
> > form will suffice.
> >
> > If there is any software at all in the unit - say
> an
> > imbedded processor as in the Alpha 87A - perhaps
> you
> > could include these terms in the software license
> > agreement.
> >
> > Mike wy6k
> > --- Tom Rauch <w8ji@contesting.com> wrote:
> > > > It seems to me that refusing to perform repair
> > > work,
> > > > whether warranty or not, without proof of a
> ham
> > > > license is a reasonable voluntary action that
> the
> > > amp
> > > > makers could engage in. It wouldn't all of
> the
> > > > problem, of course, but it would probably stop
> > > some of
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Some years ago I did that with an amplifier
> owned by
> > > a California
> > > lawyer, because he had no license and used the
> amp
> > > to run
> > > communications on an amateur band in off road
> races
> > > somewhere
> > > in the desert.
> > >
> > > I knew that because both he and the dealer told
> me
> > > that.
> > >
> > > When I refused to service his amplifier, he
> > > threatened a lawsuit. So
> > > I repaired the amplifier and turned him in to
> the
> > > FCC and some
> > > group in California that was supposed to look at
> > > this sort of
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > My question is, for anyone that knows, is a
> > > manufacturer required
> > > to repair a device being used illegally? What if
> > > that is stated in the
> > > terms of warranty?
> > >
>
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