Rich I'm playing the ignorant card here(its easy for me) who designed the original AL80 back when Denny Had owned/ran the company. I feel like the only person on the reflector that doesn't know. Dave/WB0PKK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com