All, I found this on svetlana site. Some times a picture is worth a thousand words http://www.svetlana.com/docs/TechBulletins/technoteNo54.html richl -- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com