[Amps] Re: 10dB and propagation

[Steven Cook]

Team,

I have seen this many times myself -- however, I don't care nearly enough to 
try and convenience anyone.  If this phenomena is merely the result of 
S-meter calibration/response/accuracy, it is curious that the error being 
reported is seemingly always on the high side.

Put an 8171 or the like on the air and check it out...

For some, seeing is enough.  For other, nothing will do.

If Rich said it, that's enough.

Okey-doke...

-Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Kirkby" <david.kirkby at onetel.net>
To: "R. Measures" <r at somis.org>
Cc: <amps at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Re: 10dB and propagation


> R. Measures wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Rich,
>>> how about submitting the results as a paper to a peer-reviewed 
>>> scientific journal?
>>
>>
>> Why bother?  I saw it, but others saw it long before I did.  0.5 S-unit 
>> / 3db is no big deal.
>
>
> IF (and I personally doubt it) the effect is real, then I suspect it would 
> have a LOT of implications  far beyond amateur radio enthusiasts gaining 
> an extra half an S-point when their amplifiers are switched in.
>
> Whilst knowing nothing much professionally about atmospheric research, I 
> suspect it would have huge implications for people working in that area. I 
> would suspect a lot of linear models would have to be changed for more 
> complex non-linear ones. I'm sure a lot of chemistry would have to be 
> rethought. It might cast doubt on some global warming predictions.
>
> Previous scientists have made contributions you use each day (Ohm, 
> Maxwell, etc), so perhaps you should put something back.
>
> You say others saw it long before you did, but they have not justified it 
> either.
>
>>>
>>> I'm sure many would be interested to read this if you got it published 
>>> in a peer reviewed professional journal - not an amateur one.
>>
>>
>> My peers are Hams.
>
> But you are having trouble convincing many hams.  Some are obviously very 
> convinced, Others like myself less so. If the results could be justified 
> and presented in a peer reviewed journal, it would I'm sure generate 
> professional interest. It would soon get reported in a ham journal, but 
> with a bit more credibility than if it had been written in QST or similar.
>
> If published in the IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation then, 
> others would try to reproduce this. Hopefully someone can explain it.
>
> You say you are not the first to see it, but you would be the first to 
> report it.
>
> Each time someone has cast doubt on any aspect of it (such as attenuator 
> calibration), you have not chose to ignore it, but to reply and answer 
> their doubts. So why not do this is a more professional way, where 
> hopefully the referees would pick up on any areas not justified and give 
> you chance to address them.
>
>
> -- 
> Dr. David Kirkby, G8WRB
>
> Please check out http://www.g8wrb.org/ of if you live in Essex 
> http://www.southminster-branch-line.org.uk/
>
>
>
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