[Amps] Plate transformer current unknown

Angelo Karabetsos ve3yn at hotmail.com
Thu May 5 23:11:42 EDT 2005


Thanks Gary, Will and all for answering my questions. You learn a thing or 
two everyday.
Cheers Angelo

<br><br><br>&gt;From: Gary Schafer 
&lt;garyschafer at comcast.net&gt;<br>&gt;Reply-To: 
garyschafer at comcast.net<br>&gt;To: Angelo Karabetsos 
&lt;ve3yn at hotmail.com&gt;<br>&gt;CC: amps at contesting.com<br>&gt;Subject: Re: 
[Amps] Plate transformer current unknown<br>&gt;Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 
11:45:41 -0400<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Hi Angelo,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;.9 is about what you 
get with a choke input filter.<br>&gt;With a full wave bridge capacitor 
input the no load voltage will be <br>&gt;1.414 times. I usually use about 
1.25 figure for loaded voltage when <br>&gt;figuring supply output voltage. 
It will of course vary depending on <br>&gt;how good the transformer is. But 
it gets you in the ball park.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;For a doubler I figure around 
2.5 times for loaded voltage.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;73<br>&gt;Gary  
K4FMX<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Angelo Karabetsos wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;I am unable to 
calculate anything to do with windings or core due <br>&gt;&gt;to the fact 
it is in a metal case encapsulated in black epoxy. I <br>&gt;&gt;discovered 
this after removing the lid. I'll say one thing, it's <br>&gt;&gt;darn heavy 
and hard to move around without anywhere to grab. The <br>&gt;&gt;secondary 
wire gauge looks to be about 18ga and the dimensions are 
<br>&gt;&gt;11&quot;x9&quot;x10&quot; and has a RCA nameplate. Not too much 
more information I <br>&gt;&gt;can determine. Now I know what to look for at 
flea markets.<br>&gt;&gt;One other question. What should the B+ voltage be 
after <br>&gt;&gt;rectification. Lets say 3000v secondary through a fullwave 
bridge <br>&gt;&gt;rectifier and a bank of ten 470uf 450v caps? I read 
somewhere to <br>&gt;&gt;multiply by 0.9 and that should be a good rule of 
thumb. What I am <br>&gt;&gt;trying to determine is how to calculate the 
proper transformer for <br>&gt;&gt;the job and keep voltage drop under load 
to respectable figure. Not <br>&gt;&gt;an easy task to figure out with 
surplus 
parts.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;Angelo<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;From: 
&amp;quot;Will Matney&amp;quot; 
&amp;lt;craxd1 at ezwv.com&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Reply-To: 
craxd1 at ezwv.com<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;To: 
amps at contesting.com<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Subject: Re: [Amps] Plate transformer 
current unknown<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:28:25 
-0400<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Angelo,<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Really 
you cant tell that way (using the resistance) unless you <br>&gt;&gt;know 
the mean lenght of turn, how many turns per layer, and how <br>&gt;&gt;many 
layers they are in the winding. This then would give you how 
<br>&gt;&gt;long the wire is and you could then use the resistance and the 
<br>&gt;&gt;length to determine the wire size. If it's possible to use a 
<br>&gt;&gt;micrometer or a wire gauge to see what the secondary wire size 
is, <br>&gt;&gt;then one can find out what its rating is. In amateur 
service, ICAS <br>&gt;&gt;used anywhere from 700 to 900 circular mils per 
ampere. CCS uses <br>&gt;&gt;anyhwere from say 1000 to 1200 cir. mil. per 
amp. If you can find <br>&gt;&gt;the wire size, go look at a wire chart for 
how many circular mils <br>&gt;&gt;it has and divide by the above numbers to 
determine its current <br>&gt;&gt;carrying ability. IE, 10,000 circular mils 
running at 1000 cir mil <br>&gt;&gt;per amp = 10 
amperes.<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Best,<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;Will<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;*********** 
REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;On 
4/29/05 at 3:01 PM Angelo Karabetsos 
wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;I would like to find 
out the current rating of a <br>&gt;&gt;transformer. 
Primary<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;voltage taps 0v-110v-115v-208v-230v and 
secondary taps  <br>&gt;&gt;3450v-0v-3450v and<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; 
&amp;gt;secondary resistance of 53.5ohms from 0v to 3450v tap and 
<br>&gt;&gt;107ohms from<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; 
&amp;gt;3450v<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;to 3450v tap. All measurements 
done with a simple DMM. The <br>&gt;&gt;commercial<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; 
&amp;gt;amplifier it came out of has a plate current meter with a 
<br>&gt;&gt;max reading of<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;600ma. How could I 
find out the CCS or ICAS rating?<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;Cheers 
Angelo<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&amp;gt; 
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