[Amps] HV wire

Pat Barthelow aa6eg at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 22 17:46:36 EST 2008


Re HV wire; Safety;

When I built an amp with a separate power supply, heavy, roll around, I felt uncomfortable with just a polyethelyne  or silcone rubber insulation over the B+.  Often, at least in my ham shack, the heavy roll around PS had an interconnection for the B+ lead which I used RG 213/RG-8 WITH shield intact, and bonded to both chassis.  Sometimes those things found themselves under the operating bench, where my stockinged feed also were.  I just did not like the idea of, say 3/16" of polyethelyne between me an death, so I kept the shield on the B+ lead.    

I wonder if, say during the history of a hombrew amp with a unshielded RG 8 core, B+ lead, or maybe an auto high tension ignition lead, if the lead was pinched hard,  or compressed, say by a castor rolling over it, or getting hit between a chassis and a a hard place, while moving, if that can seriously damage the Polyethelyne or Silicone rubber in the case of auto wire, making it a hazard if you touched the jacket where the pinch or impact occurred. 

Some homebrew supplies used by current enthusiasts might have a history going back to the 50's... grampa's amp supply, 2 generations old, and may have legacy damage in the B+ lead.
 
It would be an interesting experiment to take a hipot tester, and take some legths of RG-8 or silicone ignition wire, and hit them with, say a hammer, simulating harsh impacts, and see if the puncture voltage of the jacket was lowered significantly.  Also, if it did, if the amount of wear and tear damage to the insulation that could cause a danger, would be obvious to routine visual inspection.
These are the kinds of beasts, I am familiar with, but respect...:



http://www.hamradiomarket.com/articles/Lighten%20Up%20Images/HV-PS1.jpg



http://home.comcast.net/~rbethman/IMAGES/hv-dirty-01.jpg



http://hamradiomarket.com/articles/Titan%20Hybrid%20Images/TPO20.jpg

Speaking of the Joys, and potential dangers or QRO homebrew, Has anyone got a handle on how often a ham, or family member, goes SK due to HV accidents?   1-2 per year?  Less?  
has anyone gotten hit with, and survived a 3KV or higher, high capacitance supply, an experience that they can talk about?   
I know, second hand,  of one, that put his hands inside the RF deck of his hombrew amp, after too many beers, and others who were in the room told me: 3KV,  BIG BANG!  Blue flash! knocked the ham off his chair, and burned his hands, but not terribly.  He was stunned, but OK.  Apparently the current went from his hands, to the close by chassis, and not through his body.  LUCKYYYYYY!

All the Best, Pat Barthelow,
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> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:50:19 -0800
> From: gzook at yahoo.com
> To: Amps at contesting.com; walnutcreek at appstate.net
> Subject: Re: [Amps] HV wire
> 
> Remove the shield from some solid core RG8/U or RG213/U coax.  I have seen several commercial (i.e. "sputtering") linears that use this for the HV lines.  It seems to work very well.  Now you do not want to use the foam type.
> 
> Glen, K9STH
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> Website:  http://k9sth.com
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> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, walnutcreek at appstate.net <walnutcreek at appstate.net> wrote:
> 
> I am in need of a section of High voltage wire for a 3500 volt power supply I'm rebuilding with new caps and so on.  I need 20" to finish it up.
> 
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