[Amps] tank calculations - need input

jeff millar jeff at wa1hco.net
Sun Oct 18 06:33:00 PDT 2009


When i responded to your original email, I ignored the in/out more/less 
capacitance because you said that you could get 1.5 kW out. That means 
you can get a match. That email didn't make it to the list because it 
had the wrong "from" address. Here it is again

	When I play with this design, it appears that 5 uH 
	for the inductor at 3.8M is just too low.
		Rp 1000
		Cstrays 20 p
		Ctune 410 pF
		L 5 uH
		Cload 1660 pF
	Those values seem to agree with what you described.

	Raising the Inductance to 7 uH
		Ctune 267 pF
		Cload 990 pF

	Which seems more like a typical 75M tank.

	None of this varies very much with Rp. The tune 
	cap and tank inductor mostly define the resonant 
	frequency, the load cap defines the match between 
	antenna and Rp.
	
	I'm using a graphical smith chart program 
	for this analysis...much easier than any of the 
	other things I've tried. You don't even need to 
	understand smith charts, just move the component
	values around until the line hits center of the 
	chart.
	
	jeff, wa1hco

ka1mwp wrote:
> Comet CV05c - 650n/5
>
> Hooked up to a GME LC200 inductance meter
>
> Watching the capacitance as I turn, not that it matters..
> The issue is why does the amp need LOTS AND LOTS of capacitance :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Roger
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:45 PM
> Cc: Amps at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] tank calculations - need input
>
>
>
> ka1mwp wrote:
>   
>> Well, I can see turning it clockwise lowers the value...as I sit here
>> and double check...
>>
>> Out is increasing value (CCW) it gets looser and opens the plates...
>>
>>   
>>     
> That's backwards to mine.  Does the screw have right or left hand 
> threads. If CCW would be backing the screw out it's pushing the plates 
> closer together.  The screw should be held in place so it can only turn 
> which pushes or pulls the plates in the opposite direction you'd think 
> the screw would be moving.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amps-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces at contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Bill, W6WRT
>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:05 PM
>> To: Amps at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] tank calculations - need input
>>
>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:49:39 -0400, "ka1mwp" <ka1mwp at comcast.net>
>>     
> wrote:
>   
>>   
>>     
>>> its with the vacuum cap out all the way (max
>>> capacitance)  and
>>>     
>>>       
>> REPLY:
>>
>> That's backwards. All the way out (unmeshed) is minimum capacitance.
>>     
> Is
>   
>> that
>> leading you the wrong way?
>>
>> 73, Bill W6WRT
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