[Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source

Dave Cole dave at nk7z.net
Wed Mar 20 15:15:01 EDT 2013 

Carl,

In case 1; suffice to say the seller has a long and documented history
of this sort of behavior, which I discovered only after the order was
placed...  There are several court cases pending I am told, I have no
idea if this is true, but it is what has been said....  In this case you
should have collected more information before you pronounced a
verdict...  Hence communications IS important!  It keeps exactly this
sort of mis-understanding from happening...

Also suffice to say, you are off on the wrong track again-- in case 2,
however it is not worth my time to try and convince you of anything
other than what you already believe.  I can see that an actual
discussion is not possible with you, as you have already made up your
mind about everything.

So we can either agree to disagree, or you can continue typing to a non
answering thread...

Hope all goes well for you and good DX to you!


-- 
73's and Thanks,
Dave
http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...



On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 14:53 -0400, Carl wrote: 
> 
> > KM1H,
> >
> > Case 1:
> >
> > Your comment: "In your case the seller probably figured "why bother
> > responding, I'll just let him wait for PayPal to close the case".
> >
> > Seller did not send item after taking money, and did not respond to any
> > communications attempts, seller did not even ack receipt of my payment,
> > (PayPal indicated he received it...  Yes, I really want my bread
> > buttered on both sides...  What a fool I am to expect the seller to let
> > me know he even got my payment, much less ship the item...  Silly greedy
> > me...  You sort of missed the point of the example...
> >
> 
> 
> ** That is a poor attempt at spin as the bread comment was not part of Case 
> 1.
> You also have not offered any proof that the seller was even alive, sick, 
> away,
>  etc, since he did not respond all. Your attitude is 100% one sided and the 
> issue
>  was handled as designed.
> Get over it.
> 
> 
> 
> > Case 2:
> > Your comment: "PayPal written policy is that the buyer returns items at
> > his own expense and it is also right in the sellers listing if you
> > bother to read the details. It sounds as if you want both sides of the
> > bread buttered.
> >
> > Item arrived broken...  Seller refused to correct the problem in a way
> > that insured his item worked, asking me to gamble that the part he sent
> > would correct the issue, or "he would be done with the deal, or I could
> > return it", I chose to return the item.  After sending the seller the
> > tracking information, (remember the seller said to return it), the
> > seller started saying he would not accept it and would refuse it at the
> > door...
> >
> > To recap, I purchased an item, paid for postage to get it to me, and the
> > seller would not correct the broken item and told me I could return
> > it...  I return it, and the seller then says he will not accept it...
> > Again, silly me for expecting the item to arrive working as advertised,
> > or the seller to actually back up his product, or stand by his
> > invitation to return it...
> >
> > Again, silly me...  Again, you miss the point...  Sellers item was
> > BROKEN and not working, seller said return it, then said he would refuse
> > it...  Seller did not correct this...  BTW: Paypal did have the seller
> > pay return postage regardless of what you say...
> 
> 
> ** I missed nothing. You refused the sellers offer to return at first and 
> which
> he did according to Ebay and PayPal written policy. Special treatment and
> possible ongoing problems is not the sellers responsibility. His later rants 
> were
>  wrong, no matter what he thought about you privately and I wonder if we
>  have really heard both sides here.
> You also have said it likely was broken in shipping. Did you or he file a
> damage claim? What was this item and did it have anything to do with Amps?
> 
> 
> > Lets see I have had two cases in 10 years as a buyer, and none as a
> > seller...  Yes, I am a real abuser of the PayPal process and without a
> > doubt am trying to take advantage of the poor sellers...  Silly me for
> > expecting the product to even be shipped, or if shipped arrive
> > working...
> 
> 
> ** Hmmm, still continues to complain even after refusing to follow policy 
> first.
> Sounds like you are equally complicit here and since it is over a 10 year
> period you might just be a bit wound too tight and cant let things go.
> 
> 
> >
> > As I said, in no case will I buy OR SELL unless Paypal is involved...
> > Yes I said SELL, I am not afraid that PayPal will end up with any sort
> > of issue, as I communicate with the buyer or seller...
> 
> 
> ** Communicate means nothing if you have a problem resolving an
> issue once it arises.
> 
> > I want the buyer/seller to be happy and not worried about an item or
> > payment when I sell/buy...  I have sold many items over the past 10
> > years and have had ZERO issues as a seller...  Perhaps that is because I
> > advertise the item in exactly the condition it is in, including as many
> > photos as possible.  I have 100% good feedback on eBay as a result of
> > this...
> >
> 
> ** So do I as a seller and buyer but Ive had to deal with a few real idiots 
> and
> crooks from both directions. Ebay and PayPal have always been a help and
> even removed negative FB.
> In 15 years on Ebay with 15,000+ feedbacks I speak from experience and 
> confer
>  with many others with similar experience on Ebay forums.
> 
> 
> > If an item arrives DOA, I eat the return postage, and refund the money,
> > then I sort it out.  In essence I take the risk that the item will
> > arrive intact.  I also insure every item I mail for the replacement
> > value in the event something does happen, so far nothing has ever
> > happened in shipment...
> >
> > Do you have some issue with PayPal, or do you actually believe your
> > point has some merit?  If so, please elucidate!
> 
> ** Hmmm, very argumentative arent we? I can just imagine what the real story 
> is.
> As I said above, get over it. And quit wasting forum bandwidth before George 
> III
> gets upset.
> 
> Carl
> KM1H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:59 -0400, Carl wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Dave Cole" <dave at nk7z.net>
> >> To: <amps at contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:45 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
> >>
> >>
> >> >I have found just the opposite...  I have had two cases with Paypal over
> >> > a 15 year period...  I was the buyer, and in both cases I feel I got
> >> > cheated by the seller...
> >> >
> >> > Case 1:
> >> > I sent money to a person for an item, never got the item...  Got email
> >> > telling me it would be shipped real soon now...  But somehow it never
> >> > got shipped.  Within 30 days Paypal removed the funds from the seller,
> >> > and deposited them in my account.  The seller never responded to Paypal
> >> > when they asked for his side of the story.  That vendor no longer has
> >> > the Paypal logo on his website...
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you got that a bit wrong. When you open a dispute with PayPal 
> >> they
> >> immediately withdraw the seller funds but dont tell you. In your case the
> >> seller probably figured "why bother responding, I'll just let him wait 
> >> for
> >> PayPal to close the case".
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Case 2:
> >> > I purchased an item, it arrived damaged, (I am sure it happened in
> >> > shipping), and the vendor offered to send a part to fix the item, being
> >> > unsure it would correct the issue, the catch-- if it did not fix the
> >> > issue too bad for me, the deal would be over...  The replacement part
> >> > was a 50 cent part BTW...  To make a long story short, I told the 
> >> > vendor
> >> > I would return his item, at his postage expense, as I had paid shipping
> >> > already to get it delivered.  The vendor went insane...  Started 
> >> > telling
> >> > me about his money problems, his house mortgage, his and his parents
> >> > health issues, etc. and how he would not pay a dime in postage because
> >> > of these other issues no matter what...  He stupidly did this in
> >> > email...  I sent all of this along to Paypal, and within 30 days, and
> >> > after Paypal had been in touch with the vendor, they found in my
> >> > favor...
> >> >
> >> > I based on this, I will simply not do business with ANYONE who will not
> >> > take PayPal.
> >> >
> >> > Could you expand on what happened to you?
> >>
> >>
> >> PayPal written policy is that the buyer returns items at his own expense 
> >> and
> >> it is also right in the sellers listing if you bother to read the 
> >> details.
> >> It sounds as if you want both sides of the bread buttered.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >> KM1H
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > -- 
> >> > 73's and Thanks,
> >> > Dave
> >> > http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 21:24 -0500, Eddie-kv5i wrote:
> >> >> Partner, Epay ain't gonna do a damn thing about anything! I had a 100%
> >> >> record since 1997. I had a new "amateur radio operator" from Florida
> >> >> steal
> >> >> my $80, my item, and ruin my record. Epay will do nothing except steal
> >> >> your
> >> >> money and then let PayPal steal the rest.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Tom Horton" <k5iid at sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> To: <amps at contesting.com>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:47 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Carey,
> >> >> I hope you have reported this to eBay. Send a copy of his letter 
> >> >> backto
> >> >> you
> >> >> as well... He will probably be seen to.
> >> >> Tom K5IID
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no joy in Mudville!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
> >> >> E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
> >> >> Same call for 55 years!
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Tue, 3/19/13, Leigh Turner <invertech at frontierisp.net.au> 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Leigh Turner <invertech at frontierisp.net.au>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
> >> >> To: amps at contesting.com
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 7:29 PM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Carey,
> >> >>
> >> >> It is disconcerting to hear this unprincipled cowboy story.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want an honest and reliable and fairly priced source of Russian
> >> >> military surplus tubes then you can't go past Dr Alex Garvva UR4LL in
> >> >> Ukraine. I've dealt with Alex for many years and never had a dud tube 
> >> >> or
> >> >> any
> >> >> other component.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.ur4ll.net/
> >> >>
> >> >> Dr Alex is highly recommended.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> Leigh
> >> >> VK5KLT
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carey
> >> >> Lockhart
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:34 AM
> >> >> To: amps at contesting.com
> >> >> Subject: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY!
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to say that i am not in the habit of flaming someone but
> >> >> this guy i will. I went to ebay and purchased a pair of gs35b tubes 
> >> >> from
> >> >> a seller named Tube-Shop also known as Serge UT5JCW for the only 
> >> >> reason
> >> >> that he offered a 14 day return. i usally buy from qro-parts with no
> >> >> problems. so i did get the tubes and yes one was bad. i emailed Serge
> >> >> UT5JCW and asked to exchange the bad tube. he said fine. meantime 
> >> >> after
> >> >> thinking about it i desided it would be cheaper for both of us if i
> >> >> would just buy another tube without a cooler. 80 dollars to be exact. 
> >> >> so
> >> >> today i went to his store on ebay and added the tube and a really neat
> >> >> little transverter board to my cart. guess what i have been blocked 
> >> >> from
> >> >> buying from him and can not even contact him through ebay. after 
> >> >> digging
> >> >> through old emails i find his address from the paypal payment. i email
> >> >> him and ask why i was blocked. here is his reply and quote
> >> >>
> >> >> "To be hornest I can say you why. I always block the buyers when they
> >> >> return the goods. You know there is an old tubes and sometimes we have 
> >> >> no
> >> >> way to check how buyers use them. Sometimes they broke the tubes by
> >> >> misusing
> >> >> them and then return the tubes back. Here no way to change them so we
> >> >> lost
> >> >> the money. To buy the tubes somewhere else.
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> With best regards, Serge UT5JCW " end quote.
> >> >>
> >> >> i am not sure what to think of this. and hate to see another builder 
> >> >> get
> >> >> burned. but just be warned about buying from Serge UT5JCW
> >> >>
> >> >
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