[Amps] GS23B Plate load resistance for HF

[Jim Thomson]

## Dunno what the imd was on the 2 holer, 6m amp.  So far nobody has 
complained.

Jim   VE7RF

-----Original Message----- 
From: peter chadwick
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:16 AM
To: Jim Thomson ; amps at contesting.com
Subject: RE: [Amps] GS23B Plate load resistance for HF

Jim,

GS23B tetrode, not a GS35B triode.

What was the IMD on the 2 times GS35B amp?

73

Peter G3RZP


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Message Received: Nov 01 2013, 05:31 AM
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom at telus.net>
To: amps at contesting.com
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Subject: [Amps]  GS23B Plate load resistance for HF

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:54:18 +0100
From: peter chadwick <g8on at fsmail.net>
To: TexasRF at aol.com, keepwalking188 at yahoo.com, dezrat1242 at yahoo.com,
amps at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] GS23B Plate load resistance for HF

Assuming 3kV on the plate, 500 volts on the screen and AB1 operation in 
grounded cathode, I calculate a PEP output of 1540 watts, a dissipation of 
1240 watts, efficiency 55% and a load resistance of 1570 ohms - calculation 
method as per RCA.
Peak plate voltage when loaded is 3700 volts.

The 4CX1000A has a much bigger allowable plate swing  before the plate 
current curve starts to bend - which helps the efficiency.


73

Peter G3RZP

##  are u folks talking about a GS23B..... OR  a GS35B ???      On a buddys 
2 x GS35B  6M amp,  we managed to get 5 kw out on 50.125 mhz  with  225 
watts of drive  from a FT-2000.
He could easily bury the slug past 5 kw.   At which point the  10 kw slug 
was inserted.  The FT-2000 is capable of 250w out on 6m.      Plate V  was 
aprx  4300 NO load on RX...... and   4150 vdc under load.
The 150 vdc drop consisted of a 100 vdc drop  from drawing 2A  of plate 
current  through the 50 ohm glitch Resistor.... + another  50 vdc  drop from 
the B+  supply.  I had him temp short out the glitch R..to see what the
real V drop was..... and it was only 50V.    But this was an oddball case 
where  a 253 lb dahl xfmr was used on one of its lower taps... + a  165 uf 
filter cap..and 2 ga wire back to the main 200A
panel.   4150 x 2A = 8.3 kw    5000 /8300 =  60.24 % eff.

##  carl is correct though.... the  GS35B is like a 4-1000.   Gain goes WAY 
up when you crank the B+ up.    On my old 4-1000 amps... I would get 600 w 
out with 2.5 kv under load + 120 w of drive.
With 4.4 kv under load, and same 120 w of drive.... power increased to  1980 
watts out.    Roller coil was optimized in each case to factor in the 
different plate load Z....and in both cases was tweaked
for a Q of 8-10  to maximize eff.

##  4100-4300  under load on a GS35B  is  about the max you can use on a 
good tube.   Much above that..and you get into trouble.

Jim  VE7RF

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