[Amps] What to do about 'Neutral' in HB amp?
Steve Bookout
steve at nr4m.com
Wed Dec 28 12:50:38 EST 2022
Hello all,
Thanks for the input, so far.
I made a boo-boo on the transformer. it's 0, 220, 230 and 240 volt on
four terminals.
Steve, NR4M
On 12/28/2022 9:22 AM, Steve Bookout wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm building a HB amp for 10 meters and am looking for the best
> solution to a problem I've wondered about for DECADES.
>
> Other than using a 4 conductor plug/outlet (2-120 volt, one neutral
> and one ground) how should a person deal with the 120 volt neutral?
>
> This would be a concern for the blower, small 12 volt DC power supply
> and filament transformer, and maybe something else I'm overlooking as
> I write this.
>
> I know I am guilty of just taking the neutral side of a 120 volt
> component to ground, but as I understand it, the ground is never
> supposed to carry current, with the neutral carrying the current from
> the 120 volt stuff. The ground and the neutral are connected together
> at the breaker box, but are treated as different lines in the
> equipment. Back in the day, I suppose taking neutral to ground was
> done, as several times I've been slightly shocked by an old boat
> anchor with leaky caps. Also, GFI circuits would always trip, as
> they should, when that piece of equipment was turned on.
>
> These are things I've thought of, in no particular order.
>
> Using a 240 > 120 step down transformer and run the 120 volt things
> off of that.
>
> Neutral to chassis ground and ground, ground, ground everything
> together, and to the 240 ground coming into the power supply.
>
> Use the common connection point between two 120 volt windings, wired
> in series, on the input of the HV transformer for 240 use.
>
> Looked at a bunch of schematics and some are kinda lacking in detail.
> Most either use dedicated 120 volt winding off of the secondary of
> transformer, or a separate 240 volt input transformer, I'm sure the
> ones lacking in detail are not doing for nefarious reasons but to keep
> from cluttering up a schematic. It's combining block diagrams with
> detailed schematics. I'm sure they're doing it right, otherwise,
> would not get UL approval.
>
> I seem to remember from decades ago, seeing where someone had two
> resistors between the two input lines of a 240 volt input transformer
> and was using that point as neutral. Would love to know how that
> worked out. Short the 240 input with two resistors in series and use
> the point between the two resistors as 'neutral'.
>
> The transformer I have, and will use, is a Peter Dahl, with no 120
> volt winding, only terminals marked '0', '240', '230' and '240'.
> Secondary is NOT center-tapped, so will be using a FW bridge. No joy
> there.
>
> I guess I'm leaning toward a 240/120 step down transformer.
>
> It would be much more straightforward if I was building with all new
> parts from scratch. Actually, as I think of it, my DC power supply
> will take either AC voltage inputs, and automatically deal with it.
>
> Love to hear what everyone thinks, and to hear if you've ever done
> anything just a wee bit 'shady', when dealing with this issue.
>
> 73 de Steve, NR4M
>
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