[CCF] FW: [CQ-Contest] Fishy spots in WPX SSB

[jari.jokiniemi at nokia.com]

Berliinin muuri on sortunut, Neuvostoliitto on romahtanut ja Internet toimii jopa Saudi-Arabiassa. Silti vielä äänekäs osa amatööreistä jaksaa marista pakettiverkosta ja sen turmiollisesta vaikutuksesta kilpailutoimintaan. Aihetta näköjään jaksetaan pyöritellä vuosisadasta toiseen yhä erilaisimmista samoista vanhoista näkökulmista. 

Minusta tämä on aikalailla surkuhupaisaa. 

Ehkäpä ryhtyisimme mittaamaan paketinvastustajien suuresti mainostamia operointitaitoja vaikka aluksi kieltämällä DX-peditiot ja kerrostetut yagit. 

-Jari, OH3BU

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext [mailto:jukka.klemola at nokia.com]
> Sent: 12 April, 2003 10:15
> To: ccf at contesting.com
> Subject: [CCF] FW: [CQ-Contest] Fishy spots in WPX SSB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext David Robbins K1TTT [mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net]
> > Sent: 11 April, 2003 22:54
> > To: reflector cq-contest
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Fishy spots in WPX SSB
> > 
> > 
> > > Look, folks....there is NO way to police spotting. There are local
> > VHF/UHF
> > > packet nets, local VHF/UHF voice nets, many telenets & the 
> > ICQ nets on
> > the
> > > internet.  Best thing to do is to take away the 
> "assisted" catagory,
> > > period.
> > >
> > 
> > it is not the 'assisted' category that is the problem.  The 
> > problem are
> > abusers who enter in any category where the contest sponsors have
> > forbidden self spotting, or any use of packet at all, and who 
> > then break
> > the rule by spotting themselves.  
> > 
> > As seen in this thread there are some ways to detect POSSIBLE 
> > abusers by
> > studying patterns in network spots.  Determining who is 
> > actually putting
> > in the spots is more of a problem... there are 3 distinct cases that
> > must be examined...
> > 1. rf users... anyone can use any call in a tnc with no way 
> to verify
> > who is really there.  The only way to track this is for the 
> > local sysop
> > to know who normally uses their node and compare signals, 
> > user patterns,
> > etc...  some dumb users have been caught doing this because they
> > disconnect from the node using one call, change their tnc, 
> > reconnect, do
> > something bad, disconnect, then reconnect with their real call... do
> > this enough times and it gets pretty obvious who is the abuser.
> > 2. telnet users...  the sysop of all telnet accessible nodes 
> > can see the
> > ip address of all the users.  By comparing ip addresses of suspect
> > spotters to normal users you can fairly easily match up 
> > abusers with the
> > suspect spots.  Even users with dynamic ip addresses can be fairly
> > easily matched up as the addressed don't change every time and are
> > normally out of a fairly small block of numbers that the 
> isp uses for
> > dialup numbers.
> > 3. dxsummit spots... so far I have been unable to get any 
> > response from
> > their sysops when I have requested ip addresses that they 
> say they log
> > for every spot.  It would be nice if they appended the ip address to
> > each spot on the web page or on spots shown on the search 
> pages.  This
> > is done in other dx chat web pages like magicband and 50prop.  this
> > would make it instantly traceable and remove that anonymous 
> > user factor
> > that makes it such a target of abuse.  It may be worthwhile 
> to exclude
> > dxsummit spots from the rest of the network until they make 
> this data
> > available.
> > 
> > As far as eliminating spots completely...  Spotting networks were
> > created by contesters to allow club members to help each 
> > other.  The use
> > of them by dxers was an afterthought as contesters who set up 
> > the nodes
> > realized that in order to build a reliable network they had 
> > to keep the
> > nodes on 24/7 or risk losing their frequencies to other 
> > packet users....
> > I know in my case if spotting networks were disallowed in contests I
> > would shut my node down as it would no longer serve any purpose for
> > me... and I know there are many other contesters who would do 
> > the same.
> > 
> > 
> > David Robbins K1TTT
> > e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> > web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> > AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> >  
> >  
> > 
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