[CCF] [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006

Timo Klimoff timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net
Fri Nov 3 00:28:54 EST 2006

It is good to hear Jan that all my memory is not totally vanished :)
So it used to be the competition between national leagues until NRAU made a 
secret decision to list OH0 separately ;)

It propably doesn't matter if OH0 is separate entry or not, but for 
contesterts it would be good if it will be in the written rules. Because I 
think that in Finland generally  the most of the contesters (including those 
who travel to OH0 for SAC) have thought that OH0 scores count for Finland, 
not for Åland.

73, Timo OH1NOA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan-Eric Rehn (SM3CER - 7S3A - SA3R - SF3A)" 
<jan-eric.rehn at telia.com>
To: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>; "Timo Klimoff" 
<timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>; <toec at contesting.com>
Cc: <oz5wq at contesting.com>; "Liv Johansen" <la4yw at broadpark.no>; 
<oh2ua at sral.fi>; <Ilkka.Korpela at Helsinki.fi>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006

> Hello,
> Timo also wrote in another mail on the TOEC mailing list:
> - - - - -
> Hmm ... actually I see that OH0 listed separately in the past results.
> I wonder in what point someone started this?
> Historically I remember that "country competition" has been a competition
> between national leagues. Correct me if I am wrong.
> 73, Timo OH1NOA
> - - - - -
> During my different periods as SSA Contest Manager I have never seen any 
> written rules for the Scandinavian Cup.
> I remember we had some discussions about the Cup between the contest 
> managers in EDR, NRRL, SRAL and SSA some years ago, where we discussed why 
> Finland needed help from another (still very rare and hunted) DXCC country 
> to always be in the top in the Scandinavian Cup. It was informal 
> discussions and nothing was written (as there were no written rules for 
> the Cup), but we agreed to separate OHØ from OH in the result lists to 
> have a more fair competition. The only one who disagreed was of course the 
> OH manager and every time OH arranged SAC after those discussions they 
> incorporated OHØ with OH in their result lists.
> For some years now OHØ have been counted separately when EDR, NRRL and SSA 
> have been the arranging society, but we've got no complaints about that 
> earlier.
> Why? ...because OH had beaten SM anyway, without the help from OHØ.
> Now, when it seams SM have a good (or at least a small) chance to beat OH, 
> mostly because of many more participants than OH this year, one of the 
> hard working OH contesters is waking up.
> Why? ...now maybe OH need those extra OHØ points to be Champs once more...
> We all know that the OH guys will beat the SM:s, if they want to. There is 
> approximately one big SM contest site on every 10 or more in OH and if the 
> Finnish guys (and gals) go for it, we SM small pistols have no chance. (I 
> don't even remember if SM has won the Cup even once during all earlier 47 
> years - does anyone know???)
> Maybe OH didn't really bother or liked to win this year - or maybe we in 
> SM stole (or borrowed) some of their wellknown "sisu" this time???
> What we can agree upon, is that LA or OZ never can compete with SM and OH, 
> and LA or OZ can never win the Cup. That's a fact, due to population and 
> contest interest. We don't need to mention JW, JX, OX, OY or TF - the 
> competitors from those countries are too few. We don't either need to 
> mention OJØ - if there was an expedition to that DXCC country and they 
> also worked SAC - I know what country would claim their result...
> Maybe all the other Scandinavian and/or Nordic countries should compete 
> against OH and OHØ. Then maybe we had a chance to win sometimes... Or - 
> maybe it's time for SM to incorporate OHØ in the result lists - to be able 
> to beat the OH guys??? :-) In that case I don't think many OH guys will go 
> to OHØ during the SAC weekends... But I'm pretty sure there would be an 
> increase in the number of SM visitors to the islands and requests for 
> hiring the different OH contest sites... HI
> I'm very glad this discussion have started. Maybe we can get some written 
> rules for the Scandinavian Cup, where all four societys can agree upon 
> those rules. The SAC rules also have to be looked upon, but I think that's 
> a matter between the managers. We need to make them more up-to-date 
> regarding paper logs, erase penalties for dupes and things like that. We 
> also need some written rules for the log checkers - how to deal with 
> different matters during the log checking.
> On the other hand - I'm not so glad this came up just now - I need to 
> continue helping OZ5WQ with the preliminary log checking for SAC 2006, so 
> we can present the results as soon as possible. I really don't have time 
> for this at the moment... HI
> ...back to the logs...
> 73 de Jan, SM3CER
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> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
> To: "Timo Klimoff" <timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>; <toec at contesting.com>
> Cc: <oz5wq at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006
> Whoooups!
> Maybe you are correct Timo, or maybe ...
> If you look at the results from 2005 at
> http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/res/r05saccs.htm
> OH0 is not listed together with OH so I assumed that
> it was counted separately.
> Where are the rules for the Scandinavian Cup published?
> Please, can the SAC contest managers step forward and
> give some advices :-)
> 73 de Ingo, SM5AJV
> Timo Klimoff wrote:
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
>>>Om vi tar bort SM7B samt inte räknar OH0 till Finlands resultat
>>>så ser det ännu bättre ut för Sveriges del.
>>Sorry, OH0s compete under the helm of SRAL :)
>>73, Timo OH0NOA
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