[CCF] CCF Digest, Vol 95, Issue 11
veikko.kuumola at kolumbus.fi
veikko.kuumola at kolumbus.fi
Mon Nov 8 02:17:50 PST 2010
Hai
My kindly note to OH7WW : the propagation is equal for every competitor.
Maybe remote mode is more difficult
We can not change the propagation conditions- so I did not thought the poor conditions during contest only afterwards.
I worked also at same power level 100W - not so easy, expecially awful at 3,5MHz.
I somehow support the idea of competition (maaottelu/landskamp) Sweden - Finland!
de OH3LB Vexi
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> 1. Re: The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest? (Esa Korhonen)
> 2. Headset - Bose QC2 ratkaisu (Esa Korhonen)
> 3. Re: The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest? (jari ojala)
> 4. Dipoli vs 3 GP (oh6mf at netikka.fi)
> 5. Re: Dipoli vs 3 GP (markku.a.oksanen at nokia.com)
> 6. Re: Dipoli vs 3 GP (Ilkka Korpela)
> 7. Re: [TOEC] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest?
> (Tomi Ylinen)
> 8. Re: [TOEC] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest?
> (Mats Strandberg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:01:33 +0200
> From: Esa Korhonen <Esa.Korhonen at esju.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest?
> To: "ccf at contesting.com" <ccf at contesting.com>
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> Hi Mats.
>
> Maybe the reason for many not to participate is simple: no sunspots --> poor propagation --> no motivation to operate. Most stations, after all, are little pistols and can not work when the propagation sucks. I tried to operate with my 100W & G5RV remote station and quit after an hour as couldn't get even the first QSO in the log.
>
> I wonder if there is correlation between SAC log count (especially from the more passive countries) and high sunspot number..
>
> 73, Esa OH7WV @BY4
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
> Sent: 8. marraskuuta 2010 3:45
> To: TOEC; CCF Postituslista; oz-contest at contesting.com; lacc at radiosporting.info
> Subject: [CCF] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest?
>
> Hello all Scandinavian/Nordic contesters!
>
> A few days remain until the logs for SAC SSB 2010 has to be submitted.
>
> We can however already now see that Finland has an exceptionally high points
> per log advantage. This proves that OH is more endurant in SAC than any
> other Scandinavian country. It also (most likely) proves that there is more
> aluminium at a higher height in the Finnish locations compared to other
> Scandinavian countries.
>
> Congratulations to Finland for excellent score with considerably fewer
> operators! (see below)
>
> Sweden is the OVERALL winner for the second year in row thanks to an
> excellent amount of logs (more than half of the logs totally are Swedish).
> Also the strong average point per log in the CW section made Sweden a
> successful country already when the CW section was over.
>
> The reason for this email is to open the discussion how we can improve SAC
> in the eyes of Non-Scandinavian participants - and also to inspire other
> countries than Sweden and Finland to have a higher participation in SAC.
>
> Sweden, Finland (with Aland and Market Reef) represent not less than 90% of
> all logs in SAC. This is NOT a good sign that participation from all
> Scandinavian countries is more or less equal or representative to the amount
> of hams in each country.
>
> How can we stimulate our Norwegian and Danish friends to be better active in
> SAC???
>
> Iceland has on average quite a good participation in SAC, but 7 and 5
> million points in SAC from Norway and Denmark seems at least to me as a sign
> of non-sufficient promotion for contesting in those countries.
>
> The Scandinavian Cup was initiated to be a stimulator for national
> competition within the Scandinavian/Nordic countries, but what we have seen
> the past years is a development where SM and OH is fighting for the 1st and
> 2nd place, and where LA is always at a safe third place, and where OZ is
> more or less fighting for the 4th place with OH0 (despite the fact that
> Aland Islands has only 1/5 th (20 %) if the logs compared to OZ...
>
> This is not a satisfactory situation according to my personal opinion.
>
> Shall we remove the Scandinavian Cup from the SAC? Shall we create a
> "Finnkampen" concept where only SM and OH is competing (like in Athletics) -
> or shall we try to boost the activity from ALL NORDIC/SCANDINAVIAN countries
> the next year (SAC 2011) ???
>
> Norway and Denmark in this case need to make a FULL EFFORT in changing the
> situation and by encouraging new hams to the field of contesting. I think
> that active contesters in both Norway and Denmark agree that the potential
> for improvement is huge...
>
> We are ready to help with ideas and suggestions. The Swedish improvement is
> not based on huge investment in aluminium and steel, but rather a logical
> development of raised promotion for contesting as such.
>
> Please have a look at www.hfcup.se and see that close to 300 Swedish
> contesters are active in International contests on a regular basis. Such
> similar national contests could also stimulate the participation in contests
> from all other Scandinavian counties. It is only to "copy and paste" our
> idea. Steal with pride is another way to express it...
>
> If we can increase the total amount of Scandinavian logs in SAC from the
> present 544 logs to, let us say 750 logs, the interest for SAC will increase
> accordingly... This does not seem like an impossible figure, BUT it requires
> active promotion from the HF Contest Managers in all the countries.
>
> 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
>
> SAC 2010 Scandinavian Cup (CW & SSB)
> - Claimed Score
>
> *Nr* *Country* *Number of logs* *Score* 1 Sweden 287 44.310.431 2 Finland
> 136 36.013.350 3 Norway 66 7.229.178 4 Denmark 35 4.911.727 5 Aland Islands
> 8 4.543.473 6 Iceland 6 1.611.586 7 Faroe Islands 3 543.896 8 Greenland 1
> 507.964 9 Svalbard 1 332.785 10 Market Reef 1 13.615
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:17:12 +0200
> From: Esa Korhonen <Esa.Korhonen at esju.com>
> Subject: [CCF] Headset - Bose QC2 ratkaisu
> To: "ccf at contesting.com" <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1FF2BB24FBED9A45B70C2E91210B31147F5B7AA556 at hermes>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Kohta Q-luu hyvin. L?ysin siistin ratkaisun tehd? Bosen QC2:sta hyv? headset.
>
> Kaupallinen ratkaisu on t?ss?:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UFLYMIKE-PILOT-ADAPTER-BOSE-QC-2-QC2-QC-15-QC15-HEADSET-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f04706150QQitemZ270657413456QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
>
> Koska tuo maksaa ihan sikapaljon niin teen moisen itse ostamalla toisen kaapelin (Kiinassa n. 5 euroa/kpl) ja lis??m?ll? siihen Heilin mikkipuomin. T?ten luurien alkuper?isyyskin s?ilyy t?ysin koskemattomana.
>
> 73, Esa OH7WV @BY4
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:44:41 +0200 (EET)
> From: jari ojala <jari.ojala at kotinet.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC Contest?
> To: Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
> Cc: oz-contest at contesting.com, CCF Postituslista <ccf at contesting.com>,
> lacc at radiosporting.info, TOEC <TOEC at contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <575005217.4017.1289187881321.JavaMail.root at zmbs2.ppohosted.fi>
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>
> My opinion is that Cup has been all times only for OH and SM hams!
>
> I think, hows points calculated same way as F1 and many other race.
> Take every class three highest score and give first 3 points, second 2 points
> and third place gives 1 points for scandinavian cup (1->5, 2->4, 3->3, 4->2, 5->1)?
> Hmm, if looking past scores, it gives cup winning for OH?
> That give good posibilities get high score on the Cup with single band efforts!
>
> Jari OH8LQ
> www.oh8lq.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:53:05 +0200
> From: oh6mf at netikka.fi
> Subject: [CCF] Dipoli vs 3 GP
> To: ccf at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <1289199185.4cd79e51add52 at imp.netikka.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
>
> >Alaosa keiloista on aika lailla samaa varsinkin huonolla maanjohtavuudella
> >joka t??ll? vallitsee joten ainoa teoreettinen ero olisi tuossa
> >yl?kulmilla.Mutta jotain t?ss? viel? on jota en itse ymm?rr?. H?iri?/kohina
> >on ei kuulosta milt??n "juovamuuntaja" h?iri?lt? joten se pit?? olla
> >alueellisempaa kuin vain omasta m?kist?.
> >Markku
>
> Vinkki:
>
> k?v?sepp? lukasemassa tuolta Utility foorumilta noita kunteluaneetti juttuja
> Oikeastaan tuntui uskomattomilta nuo ferriitti ryhm?t ja niiden v?liss?
> maasauvat jutut , kunnes tuli ite kokeiltua
> eip? tullut mieleenk??n ett? toimisivat LPF :n? jne..
>
> ongelma voi tietty olla aina joku muukin , mutta ???
>
>
> 73 de oh6mf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:06:50 +0100
> From: <markku.a.oksanen at nokia.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Dipoli vs 3 GP
> To: <oh6mf at netikka.fi>, <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <702744BC498BAE41B3AA631D95EC463058BAC5BC71 at NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hei
> Yritin katsoa, ei ole t?h?n sopivaa infoa.
> Antennit on huolella maadoitettu, samoin vaiheistuspurkki joka on yhden noin 50 radiaalin l?ht?piste sekin, t?ss? on siis 4 p??llekk?ist? kentt?? joista alin, 3 x 30 kpl on liitoskohdista yhdess?.
> Luulisi ett? t?ss? porukassa on paljonkin v?ke? joilla on dipoli ja GP?
> Onko tullut vastaavaa tilannetta eteen?
> Markku
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On
> >Behalf Of ext oh6mf at netikka.fi
> >Sent: 08 November, 2010 08:53
> >To: ccf at contesting.com
> >Subject: [CCF] Dipoli vs 3 GP
> >
> >
> >
> >>Alaosa keiloista on aika lailla samaa varsinkin huonolla
> >maanjohtavuudella
> >>joka t??ll? vallitsee joten ainoa teoreettinen ero olisi tuossa
> >>yl?kulmilla.Mutta jotain t?ss? viel? on jota en itse ymm?rr?.
> >H?iri?/kohina
> >>on ei kuulosta milt??n "juovamuuntaja" h?iri?lt? joten se pit?? olla
> >>alueellisempaa kuin vain omasta m?kist?.
> >>Markku
> >
> >Vinkki:
> >
> >k?v?sepp? lukasemassa tuolta Utility foorumilta noita kunteluaneetti
> >juttuja
> >Oikeastaan tuntui uskomattomilta nuo ferriitti ryhm?t ja niiden v?liss?
> >maasauvat jutut , kunnes tuli ite kokeiltua
> >eip? tullut mieleenk??n ett? toimisivat LPF :n? jne..
> >
> >ongelma voi tietty olla aina joku muukin , mutta ???
> >
> >
> >73 de oh6mf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:27:44 +0200
> From: "Ilkka Korpela" <Ilkka.Korpela at Helsinki.fi>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Dipoli vs 3 GP
> To: markku.a.oksanen at nokia.com
> Cc: oh6mf at netikka.fi, ccf at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <20101108092744.63912jd7caq769v4.korpela at webmail.helsinki.fi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> Quoting markku.a.oksanen at nokia.com:
>
> Empiiriset havaintoni Porvoosta: On l?hes aina helpompi
> kuunnella 20 m quadilla kuin 80 m GP:ll? (21 m/ 4 x elevated).
> Kohinataso 80:ll? on raju GP:ll? kuunneltuna. Olen kytkenyt
> pois huippuimurin, digiboxin ne. muttei ole tehonnut. Odotan
> alueellista s?hk?katkoa, jolloin aion akulla kuunnellen kokeilla
> josko kohinataso nousee s?hk?jen t?nne palatessa. Teoreettisten
> taitojen puuttuessa joudun tyytym??n ko. kokeelliseen menetelm??n.
> Syksyn myrskyj? odotellessa. Riippuen myrskyn voimasta, voin tutkia
> kohinan spatiaalista laajuutta.
>
> Kysyin asiaa 3699 ss? lauantaina. Saamani vastaukset eiv?t kan-
> nusta kysym??n uudelleen, vaikka siell? tuntui olevan sek? empii-
> rist? ett? fysikaalisperustaista tiet?myst?.
>
> ilkka
>
>
>
> > Hei
> > Yritin katsoa, ei ole t?h?n sopivaa infoa.
> > Antennit on huolella maadoitettu, samoin vaiheistuspurkki joka on
> > yhden noin 50 radiaalin l?ht?piste sekin, t?ss? on siis 4
> > p??llekk?ist? kentt?? joista alin, 3 x 30 kpl on liitoskohdista
> > yhdess?.
> > Luulisi ett? t?ss? porukassa on paljonkin v?ke? joilla on dipoli ja GP?
> > Onko tullut vastaavaa tilannetta eteen?
> > Markku
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On
> >> Behalf Of ext oh6mf at netikka.fi
> >> Sent: 08 November, 2010 08:53
> >> To: ccf at contesting.com
> >> Subject: [CCF] Dipoli vs 3 GP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Alaosa keiloista on aika lailla samaa varsinkin huonolla
> >> maanjohtavuudella
> >>> joka t??ll? vallitsee joten ainoa teoreettinen ero olisi tuossa
> >>> yl?kulmilla.Mutta jotain t?ss? viel? on jota en itse ymm?rr?.
> >> H?iri?/kohina
> >>> on ei kuulosta milt??n "juovamuuntaja" h?iri?lt? joten se pit?? olla
> >>> alueellisempaa kuin vain omasta m?kist?.
> >>> Markku
> >>
> >> Vinkki:
> >>
> >> k?v?sepp? lukasemassa tuolta Utility foorumilta noita kunteluaneetti
> >> juttuja
> >> Oikeastaan tuntui uskomattomilta nuo ferriitti ryhm?t ja niiden v?liss?
> >> maasauvat jutut , kunnes tuli ite kokeiltua
> >> eip? tullut mieleenk??n ett? toimisivat LPF :n? jne..
> >>
> >> ongelma voi tietty olla aina joku muukin , mutta ???
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 de oh6mf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ilkka Korpela
> http://www.helsinki.fi/~korpela
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:15:47 +0200 (EET)
> From: Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC
> Contest?
> To: Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr at gmail.com>, TOEC <TOEC at contesting.com>,
> CCF Postituslista <ccf at contesting.com>, oz-contest at contesting.com,
> lacc at radiosporting.info
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>
> Well, to my opinion we do not need to do anything. Scandinavian Cup can be as it is. We can congratulate you swedes that you beat us finns. Maybe your good activity is based on agitation to win the Cup. That way the Cup works. But it does not work for any other countries but SM and OH. There is not enough activity or stations in other countries.
>
> I don't see that as a problem. Cup is more or less statistical. Personally OH winning the Cup does not give any kicks, on the other hand loosing it does not hurt (sorry boys:-).
>
> To me it has always been the personal race. It's like in F1 the Constructor's championships: who cares. What counts is the one to win driver's championship. With this I'm not comparing myself to F1-drivers:-)
>
> SAC gives us the chance to be on the right end of pile ups. That is the main goal of the event.
>
> Tomi OH6EI
>
>
> Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 07.11.2010 kello 21:45:
> > Hello all Scandinavian/Nordic contesters!
> >
> > A few days remain until the logs for SAC SSB 2010 has to be submitted.
> >
> > We can however already now see that Finland has an exceptionally
> > high points
> > per log advantage. This proves that OH is more endurant in SAC than any
> > other Scandinavian country. It also (most likely) proves that there
> > is more
> > aluminium at a higher height in the Finnish locations compared to other
> > Scandinavian countries.
> >
> > Congratulations to Finland for excellent score with considerably fewer
> > operators! (see below)
> >
> > Sweden is the OVERALL winner for the second year in row thanks to an
> > excellent amount of logs (more than half of the logs totally are
> > Swedish).
> > Also the strong average point per log in the CW section made Sweden a
> > successful country already when the CW section was over.
> >
> > The reason for this email is to open the discussion how we can
> > improve SAC
> > in the eyes of Non-Scandinavian participants - and also to inspire other
> > countries than Sweden and Finland to have a higher participation in SAC.
> >
> > Sweden, Finland (with Aland and Market Reef) represent not less than
> > 90% of
> > all logs in SAC. This is NOT a good sign that participation from all
> > Scandinavian countries is more or less equal or representative to
> > the amount
> > of hams in each country.
> >
> > How can we stimulate our Norwegian and Danish friends to be better
> > active in
> > SAC???
> >
> > Iceland has on average quite a good participation in SAC, but 7 and 5
> > million points in SAC from Norway and Denmark seems at least to me
> > as a sign
> > of non-sufficient promotion for contesting in those countries.
> >
> > The Scandinavian Cup was initiated to be a stimulator for national
> > competition within the Scandinavian/Nordic countries, but what we
> > have seen
> > the past years is a development where SM and OH is fighting for the
> > 1st and
> > 2nd place, and where LA is always at a safe third place, and where OZ is
> > more or less fighting for the 4th place with OH0 (despite the fact that
> > Aland Islands has only 1/5 th (20 %) if the logs compared to OZ...
> >
> > This is not a satisfactory situation according to my personal opinion.
> >
> > Shall we remove the Scandinavian Cup from the SAC? Shall we create a
> > "Finnkampen" concept where only SM and OH is competing (like in
> > Athletics) -
> > or shall we try to boost the activity from ALL NORDIC/SCANDINAVIAN
> > countries
> > the next year (SAC 2011) ???
> >
> > Norway and Denmark in this case need to make a FULL EFFORT in
> > changing the
> > situation and by encouraging new hams to the field of contesting. I
> > think
> > that active contesters in both Norway and Denmark agree that the
> > potential
> > for improvement is huge...
> >
> > We are ready to help with ideas and suggestions. The Swedish
> > improvement is
> > not based on huge investment in aluminium and steel, but rather a
> > logical
> > development of raised promotion for contesting as such.
> >
> > Please have a look at www.hfcup.se and see that close to 300 Swedish
> > contesters are active in International contests on a regular basis. Such
> > similar national contests could also stimulate the participation in
> > contests
> > from all other Scandinavian counties. It is only to "copy and paste" our
> > idea. Steal with pride is another way to express it...
> >
> > If we can increase the total amount of Scandinavian logs in SAC
> > from the
> > present 544 logs to, let us say 750 logs, the interest for SAC will
> > increase
> > accordingly... This does not seem like an impossible figure, BUT it
> > requires
> > active promotion from the HF Contest Managers in all the countries.
> >
> > 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
> >
> > SAC 2010 Scandinavian Cup (CW & SSB)
> > - Claimed Score
> >
> > *Nr* *Country* *Number of logs* *Score* 1 Sweden 287 44.310.431 2
> > Finland
> > 136 36.013.350 3 Norway 66 7.229.178 4 Denmark 35 4.911.727 5 Aland
> > Islands
> > 8 4.543.473 6 Iceland 6 1.611.586 7 Faroe Islands 3 543.896 8
> > Greenland 1
> > 507.964 9 Svalbard 1 332.785 10 Market Reef 1 13.615
> > _______________________________________________
> > TOEC mailing list
> > TOEC at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/toec
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:18:18 +0300
> From: Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] The future for Scandinavian Cup in SAC
> Contest?
> To: Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
> Cc: oz-contest at contesting.com, CCF Postituslista <ccf at contesting.com>,
> lacc at radiosporting.info, TOEC <TOEC at contesting.com>
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>
> Hello all!
>
> Well, maybe we do not need any changes. From my point of view it is fun with
> the cup and to win a few of the 52 years, but the main idea would be to
> still increase the activity totally from the Scandinavian countries. The cup
> is more important as a stimulator for the activity in my eyes.
>
> 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
>
>
>
>
> 2010/11/8 Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
>
> > Well, to my opinion we do not need to do anything. Scandinavian Cup can be
> > as it is. We can congratulate you swedes that you beat us finns. Maybe your
> > good activity is based on agitation to win the Cup. That way the Cup works.
> > But it does not work for any other countries but SM and OH. There is not
> > enough activity or stations in other countries.
> >
> > I don't see that as a problem. Cup is more or less statistical. Personally
> > OH winning the Cup does not give any kicks, on the other hand loosing it
> > does not hurt (sorry boys:-).
> >
> > To me it has always been the personal race. It's like in F1 the
> > Constructor's championships: who cares. What counts is the one to win
> > driver's championship. With this I'm not comparing myself to F1-drivers:-)
> >
> > SAC gives us the chance to be on the right end of pile ups. That is the
> > main goal of the event.
> >
> > Tomi OH6EI
> >
> >
> > Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 07.11.2010 kello 21:45:
> > > Hello all Scandinavian/Nordic contesters!
> > >
> > > A few days remain until the logs for SAC SSB 2010 has to be submitted.
> > >
> > > We can however already now see that Finland has an exceptionally
> > > high points
> > > per log advantage. This proves that OH is more endurant in SAC than any
> > > other Scandinavian country. It also (most likely) proves that there
> > > is more
> > > aluminium at a higher height in the Finnish locations compared to other
> > > Scandinavian countries.
> > >
> > > Congratulations to Finland for excellent score with considerably fewer
> > > operators! (see below)
> > >
> > > Sweden is the OVERALL winner for the second year in row thanks to an
> > > excellent amount of logs (more than half of the logs totally are
> > > Swedish).
> > > Also the strong average point per log in the CW section made Sweden a
> > > successful country already when the CW section was over.
> > >
> > > The reason for this email is to open the discussion how we can
> > > improve SAC
> > > in the eyes of Non-Scandinavian participants - and also to inspire other
> > > countries than Sweden and Finland to have a higher participation in SAC.
> > >
> > > Sweden, Finland (with Aland and Market Reef) represent not less than
> > > 90% of
> > > all logs in SAC. This is NOT a good sign that participation from all
> > > Scandinavian countries is more or less equal or representative to
> > > the amount
> > > of hams in each country.
> > >
> > > How can we stimulate our Norwegian and Danish friends to be better
> > > active in
> > > SAC???
> > >
> > > Iceland has on average quite a good participation in SAC, but 7 and 5
> > > million points in SAC from Norway and Denmark seems at least to me
> > > as a sign
> > > of non-sufficient promotion for contesting in those countries.
> > >
> > > The Scandinavian Cup was initiated to be a stimulator for national
> > > competition within the Scandinavian/Nordic countries, but what we
> > > have seen
> > > the past years is a development where SM and OH is fighting for the
> > > 1st and
> > > 2nd place, and where LA is always at a safe third place, and where OZ is
> > > more or less fighting for the 4th place with OH0 (despite the fact that
> > > Aland Islands has only 1/5 th (20 %) if the logs compared to OZ...
> > >
> > > This is not a satisfactory situation according to my personal opinion.
> > >
> > > Shall we remove the Scandinavian Cup from the SAC? Shall we create a
> > > "Finnkampen" concept where only SM and OH is competing (like in
> > > Athletics) -
> > > or shall we try to boost the activity from ALL NORDIC/SCANDINAVIAN
> > > countries
> > > the next year (SAC 2011) ???
> > >
> > > Norway and Denmark in this case need to make a FULL EFFORT in
> > > changing the
> > > situation and by encouraging new hams to the field of contesting. I
> > > think
> > > that active contesters in both Norway and Denmark agree that the
> > > potential
> > > for improvement is huge...
> > >
> > > We are ready to help with ideas and suggestions. The Swedish
> > > improvement is
> > > not based on huge investment in aluminium and steel, but rather a
> > > logical
> > > development of raised promotion for contesting as such.
> > >
> > > Please have a look at www.hfcup.se and see that close to 300 Swedish
> > > contesters are active in International contests on a regular basis. Such
> > > similar national contests could also stimulate the participation in
> > > contests
> > > from all other Scandinavian counties. It is only to "copy and paste" our
> > > idea. Steal with pride is another way to express it...
> > >
> > > If we can increase the total amount of Scandinavian logs in SAC
> > > from the
> > > present 544 logs to, let us say 750 logs, the interest for SAC will
> > > increase
> > > accordingly... This does not seem like an impossible figure, BUT it
> > > requires
> > > active promotion from the HF Contest Managers in all the countries.
> > >
> > > 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
> > >
> > > SAC 2010 Scandinavian Cup (CW & SSB)
> > > - Claimed Score
> > >
> > > *Nr* *Country* *Number of logs* *Score* 1 Sweden 287 44.310.431 2
> > > Finland
> > > 136 36.013.350 3 Norway 66 7.229.178 4 Denmark 35 4.911.727 5 Aland
> > > Islands
> > > 8 4.543.473 6 Iceland 6 1.611.586 7 Faroe Islands 3 543.896 8
> > > Greenland 1
> > > 507.964 9 Svalbard 1 332.785 10 Market Reef 1 13.615
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