[CCF] [TOEC] Skimmer/Cluster in SAC?

[Jan Erik Holm]

My 2 cents. For Scandinavians no change, Assisted for non Scandinavian 
is OK (cluster+RBN+whatever)
However I like to see self spotting only allowed for SM2EKM.

/ 73 SM2EKM
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On 2010-09-21 10:44, Luoma-aho Pasi wrote:
> I support the proposal of new assisted class(es) for non-Scandinavians, but not for Scandinavians.  No need to change anything for Scandinavians.  Not even self-spotting for OHs.
>
> Pasi OH6UM
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com
>> [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ilkka Korpela
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:35 AM
>> To: Tapani Nisula
>> Cc: CCF Postituslista; Mats Strandberg; TOEC
>> Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] Skimmer/Cluster in SAC?
>>
>> Quoting "Tapani Nisula"<oh5bm1 at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Oh geez, if PY5EG wants assisted for non-Scandinavian
>> and we Scandinavians want it for them - let's cut the
>> discusssions right here and allow the "SAC Contest Committee"
>> to make a wise decision.
>>
>> ... or if I do a bit of thinking...
>>
>> I propose an alternative: In the upcoming SAC SSB,
>> every Scandinavian must ask 100 non-scandinavians for their
>> opinion. "Do you work CW?" - Q must be included as well so
>> that we are not stepping on the toes of the Morse Code Fans.
>>
>> If we allow Cluster for PY5EG et al., let's allow self-spotting
>> for OHs at least.
>>
>> ilkka
>>
>>
>>> hello,
>>> I prefer Assisted Class also PY5EG was asking for that.
>>>
>>> I know many casual operators in Finland who has been found it nice to
>>> experiment with new logprograms/cluster, where you can point
>> and click new
>>> multipliers and your radio jumps to the frequency.
>>>
>>> At least assisted should be for the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> But if that makes too much classes, why not to change so
>> that there is only
>>> Assisted classes in SAC.
>>>
>>> Skimmer can be denied or allowed separately.
>>>
>>> Tapani, OH5BM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/9/21 Tomi Ylinen<tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
>>>
>>>> Regards from old fart...
>>>>
>>>> Considering the activity levels there is no room for new
>> cathegories. I
>>>> don't think cathegories produce any new activity.
>>>>
>>>> I would accept use of mentioned tools for
>> non-scandinavians. Looking at
>>>> average qso-numbers they need all help they can get:-)
>>>>
>>>> But on scandinavian side we should stick to traditional
>> unassisted for
>>>> single ops. Skimmers and RBN are new things, and rules
>> maybe need to be
>>>> updated and re-formulated to block the hole.
>>>>
>>>> There are assisted cathegories in other contests. We do not
>> need them in
>>>> SAC.
>>>>
>>>> t Tomi OH6EI
>>>>
>>>> Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 21.09.2010 kello 11:04:
>>>>   >  Hello all!
>>>>>
>>>>> Before this SAC CW I have been strongly against changing the rules
>>>>>   and allow
>>>>> clusters and skimmers in SAC.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, due to some reasons... I tend to be more open for
>>>>>   discussing this
>>>>> theme now...
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Shall we propose a change of rules that allows
>> skimmers/RBN/clusters
>>>>>   in SAC
>>>>> SOAB catagories?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or shall we introduce an Assisted Class that will make it possible
>>>>>   to use
>>>>> such technical tools?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is prohibited to use clusters in the SAC SO categories, but
>>>>>   nothing is
>>>>> mentioned about skimmers and RBN (Reverse Beacon
>> Network). This is a
>>>>>   "hole"
>>>>> in the rules, and those who read exactly between the lines, might
>>>>>   find it
>>>>> possible to use skimmer or RBN, but to exclude clusters like
>>>>>   DX-Summit in
>>>>> their operation...
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference for someone using skimmer and someone not using
>>>>>   skimmer is
>>>>> quite obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Several stations who has submitted logs have been honest
>> and placed
>>>>> themselves in Multi Operatior category, stating SO + Cluster as
>>>>>   their class.
>>>>> This is good. I hope others will have the same
>> understanding of this...
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats (Non-Assisted in SAC 2010 CW)
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