[CCF] [TOEC] Skimmer/Cluster in SAC?

Tue Sep 21 01:44:41 PDT 2010

I support the proposal of new assisted class(es) for non-Scandinavians, but not for Scandinavians.  No need to change anything for Scandinavians.  Not even self-spotting for OHs.

Pasi OH6UM

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>[mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ilkka Korpela
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:35 AM
>To: Tapani Nisula
>Cc: CCF Postituslista; Mats Strandberg; TOEC
>Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] Skimmer/Cluster in SAC?
>
>Quoting "Tapani Nisula" <oh5bm1 at gmail.com>:
>
>Oh geez, if PY5EG wants assisted for non-Scandinavian
>and we Scandinavians want it for them - let's cut the
>discusssions right here and allow the "SAC Contest Committee"
>to make a wise decision.
>
>... or if I do a bit of thinking...
>
>I propose an alternative: In the upcoming SAC SSB,
>every Scandinavian must ask 100 non-scandinavians for their
>opinion. "Do you work CW?" - Q must be included as well so
>that we are not stepping on the toes of the Morse Code Fans.
>
>If we allow Cluster for PY5EG et al., let's allow self-spotting
>for OHs at least.
>
>ilkka
>
>
>> hello,
>> I prefer Assisted Class also PY5EG was asking for that.
>>
>> I know many casual operators in Finland who has been found it nice to
>> experiment with new logprograms/cluster, where you can point 
>and click new
>> multipliers and your radio jumps to the frequency.
>>
>> At least assisted should be for the rest of the world.
>>
>> But if that makes too much classes, why not to change so 
>that there is only
>> Assisted classes in SAC.
>>
>> Skimmer can be denied or allowed separately.
>>
>> Tapani, OH5BM
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/9/21 Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
>>
>>> Regards from old fart...
>>>
>>> Considering the activity levels there is no room for new 
>cathegories. I
>>> don't think cathegories produce any new activity.
>>>
>>> I would accept use of mentioned tools for 
>non-scandinavians. Looking at
>>> average qso-numbers they need all help they can get:-)
>>>
>>> But on scandinavian side we should stick to traditional 
>unassisted for
>>> single ops. Skimmers and RBN are new things, and rules 
>maybe need to be
>>> updated and re-formulated to block the hole.
>>>
>>> There are assisted cathegories in other contests. We do not 
>need them in
>>> SAC.
>>>
>>> t Tomi OH6EI
>>>
>>> Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 21.09.2010 kello 11:04:
>>>  > Hello all!
>>> >
>>> > Before this SAC CW I have been strongly against changing the rules
>>> >  and allow
>>> > clusters and skimmers in SAC.
>>> >
>>> > However, due to some reasons... I tend to be more open for
>>> >  discussing this
>>> > theme now...
>>> >
>>> > What is your opinion?
>>> >
>>> > Shall we propose a change of rules that allows 
>skimmers/RBN/clusters
>>> >  in SAC
>>> > SOAB catagories?
>>> >
>>> > Or shall we introduce an Assisted Class that will make it possible
>>> >  to use
>>> > such technical tools?
>>> >
>>> > It is prohibited to use clusters in the SAC SO categories, but
>>> >  nothing is
>>> > mentioned about skimmers and RBN (Reverse Beacon 
>Network). This is a
>>> >  "hole"
>>> > in the rules, and those who read exactly between the lines, might
>>> >  find it
>>> > possible to use skimmer or RBN, but to exclude clusters like
>>> >  DX-Summit in
>>> > their operation...
>>> >
>>> > The difference for someone using skimmer and someone not using
>>> >  skimmer is
>>> > quite obvious.
>>> >
>>> > Several stations who has submitted logs have been honest 
>and placed
>>> > themselves in Multi Operatior category, stating SO + Cluster as
>>> >  their class.
>>> > This is good. I hope others will have the same 
>understanding of this...
>>> >
>>> > 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats (Non-Assisted in SAC 2010 CW)
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