[CCF] [TOEC] Skimmer/Cluster in SAC?

[Ilkka Korpela]

Quoting "Tapani Nisula" <oh5bm1 at gmail.com>:

Oh geez, if PY5EG wants assisted for non-Scandinavian
and we Scandinavians want it for them - let's cut the
discusssions right here and allow the "SAC Contest Committee"
to make a wise decision.

... or if I do a bit of thinking...

I propose an alternative: In the upcoming SAC SSB,
every Scandinavian must ask 100 non-scandinavians for their
opinion. "Do you work CW?" - Q must be included as well so
that we are not stepping on the toes of the Morse Code Fans.

If we allow Cluster for PY5EG et al., let's allow self-spotting
for OHs at least.

ilkka


> hello,
> I prefer Assisted Class also PY5EG was asking for that.
>
> I know many casual operators in Finland who has been found it nice to
> experiment with new logprograms/cluster, where you can point and click new
> multipliers and your radio jumps to the frequency.
>
> At least assisted should be for the rest of the world.
>
> But if that makes too much classes, why not to change so that there is only
> Assisted classes in SAC.
>
> Skimmer can be denied or allowed separately.
>
> Tapani, OH5BM
>
>
>
> 2010/9/21 Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
>
>> Regards from old fart...
>>
>> Considering the activity levels there is no room for new cathegories. I
>> don't think cathegories produce any new activity.
>>
>> I would accept use of mentioned tools for non-scandinavians. Looking at
>> average qso-numbers they need all help they can get:-)
>>
>> But on scandinavian side we should stick to traditional unassisted for
>> single ops. Skimmers and RBN are new things, and rules maybe need to be
>> updated and re-formulated to block the hole.
>>
>> There are assisted cathegories in other contests. We do not need them in
>> SAC.
>>
>> t Tomi OH6EI
>>
>> Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 21.09.2010 kello 11:04:
>>  > Hello all!
>> >
>> > Before this SAC CW I have been strongly against changing the rules
>> >  and allow
>> > clusters and skimmers in SAC.
>> >
>> > However, due to some reasons... I tend to be more open for
>> >  discussing this
>> > theme now...
>> >
>> > What is your opinion?
>> >
>> > Shall we propose a change of rules that allows skimmers/RBN/clusters
>> >  in SAC
>> > SOAB catagories?
>> >
>> > Or shall we introduce an Assisted Class that will make it possible
>> >  to use
>> > such technical tools?
>> >
>> > It is prohibited to use clusters in the SAC SO categories, but
>> >  nothing is
>> > mentioned about skimmers and RBN (Reverse Beacon Network). This is a
>> >  "hole"
>> > in the rules, and those who read exactly between the lines, might
>> >  find it
>> > possible to use skimmer or RBN, but to exclude clusters like
>> >  DX-Summit in
>> > their operation...
>> >
>> > The difference for someone using skimmer and someone not using
>> >  skimmer is
>> > quite obvious.
>> >
>> > Several stations who has submitted logs have been honest and placed
>> > themselves in Multi Operatior category, stating SO + Cluster as
>> >  their class.
>> > This is good. I hope others will have the same understanding of this...
>> >
>> > 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats (Non-Assisted in SAC 2010 CW)
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