[CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted
Jorma Saloranta
jorma.saloranta at kolumbus.fi
Tue Apr 5 09:36:24 EDT 2016
Kannatin näitten kategorioiden yhdistämistä komiteassa 10 vuotta. Sain aina
turpiini.
Kysymys on siitä, haluaako CQWW miellyttää massoja vai noin 100 non-assisted
rehelleistä kilpailijaa.
Molempi hyvä, mutta jos pitää äänestää, äänestän yhdistämistä, mikä palvelee
massoja eli massat saavat boostia siitä, että koneet hyppäävät dx-spotin
perässä sekunnin kymmenesosassa. Se on tietysti ikävä kehitys, mutta monelle
se on saavutus kytkentöjen ja purkkien läpi.
Olen seuraillut spotteja ja bandiesiintymistä silloin kun en ole ollut itse
dx. Siinä näkee, ketkä loikkivat spottien perässä. Siitä on myös helppo
nähdä kusettajat, niitä on vaikka kuinka paljon, mutta he eivät kilpaile
oikeasti pokaaleista.
Mutta CQWW on amerikkalaisten kisa, vaikka Eurooppa johtaa lokimääriä. He
voivat tehdä ihan mikä heitä huvittaa tässä kysymyksessä. CQ:n omistajalla
lienee viimeinen sana asiassa, on ainakin ollut. Se mikä palvelee lehteä, on
hyvä hänelle.
Jos assisteeraus menee muuhunkin kuin ruokakupin tarjoiluun, ollaan
metsässä.
Jukka: hoida sitä toista asiaa, että sääntöihin saadaan single banderille
ohje sisällyttää muidenkin bandien QSO:t singleband lokiin. Siinä asiassa
järjen pitäisi vihdoin voittaa eli tehdä siitä sääntöpykälä. Ihmiset eivät
sitä muuten ymmärrä. Jokainen, joka on jättänyt QSO:t pois lokistaan, sanoo,
ettei tiennyt ja ymmärtää aiheuttavansa pisterangaistuksia, mikä ei ole
heidän tarkoituksensa.
73 de Sii-Bii-Tuu-Eks
-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
Lähettäjä: CCF [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] Puolesta Kim Östman
Lähetetty: 05 April 2016 16:11
Vastaanottaja: ccf at contesting.com
Aihe: Re: [CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted
Moi,
Saisiko tarkennusta: mikä alkaa olla julkista?
Randyn lausahdus "It is only CQ, ARRL ..." on hieman erikoinen. Kyse on
sentään "vain" maailman suurimmista ja merkittävimmistä kisoista :)
73
Kim
Lainaus Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com>:
> Nyt tämä alkaa olemaan julkista ..
> Huomatkaa että SAC esitetään maailman foorumilla.
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
> ...
>
> There is another option... Rather than continue to get twisted in
> defining the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all
confusion.
> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
> themselves to other "classic" ops.
>
> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept. The
> rest of the world has moved on.
>
> Randy, K5ZD
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>> Of Paul O'Kane
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>>
>> On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree. If it doesn't *assist* someone
>> > to watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
>> > doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
>>
>> We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting
>> "assist", "assistance" and "Assisted"
>> as they, personally, think it should be defined.
>>
>> All relevant technology assists.
>>
>> The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted"
>> categories has always been whether you connect to external networks
>> to improve your score or gain a competitive advantage.
>>
>> That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
>> Unconnected. That would appear to remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
>>
>> * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
>> * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
>> * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
>> networked technology, to influence or
>> modify your strategy - you're Connected.
>>
>> It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
>>
>> I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology
>> would continue to be "Connected".
>> That's why I referred to "the main difference"
>> above.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
>>
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>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>> > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>> > <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
>> > out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> > <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> > For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster.
>> >
>> > On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
>> >> Ron
>> >> A couple of questions:
>> >>
>> >> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
>> >>
>> >> The Best way to finding out, is perhaps, if you try the
>> >> scoreboard and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts
>> >> from gut
>> feelings?
>> >>
>> >> -------- Mensaje original --------
>> >> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>> >> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
>> >> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
>> >> CC:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But here's the thing Pete.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
>> >> it come
>> >> from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score"
>> >> and what
>> >> other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
>> >> posting
>> >> that information. How is that not assisted?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
>> >> exchanges of
>> >> information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
>> >> capability
>> >> should be disabled.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
>> >> doesn't put
>> >> you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
>> >> to put
>> >> it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
>> >> tell me it's
>> >> raining.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
>> >> reasons why
>> >> vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
>> >> approach
>> >> it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
>> >> pretend
>> >> one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
>> >> blurred.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 73, ron w3wn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >> From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
>> >> To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
>> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
>> >> isn't
>> >> true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide
>> >> (in
>> >> MM+)
>> >> whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
>> >> information,
>> >> access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
>> >> considered
>> >> assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable
>> >> the
>> band
>> >> breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
>> >> would go
>> >> away.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> >> Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>> >> . Check
>> >> out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> >> , now
>> >> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> >> For spots, please use your favorite
>> >> "retail" DX cluster.
>> >>
>> >> On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
>> >> Therefore,
>> >> information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
>> >> of most
>> >> contests that recognize this category.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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