re. WAE lists ....Shetland
burns
burns
Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 EST 2003
From: NAME: Andy Burns
FUNC: Research and Development
TEL: 0324 493981 <BURNS,AL at A1@GRRD04>
To: "cq-contest at tgv.com"@rcwi01 at mrgate@grrd04
ref the question last week on how to tell if a station is on Shetland.
The answer is that you can't unless you ask them.
Callsigns are issued in the UK in the format G*0ABC where the number and
suffix are sequential ie 2's then 3's then 4's then 0's (some logic!)with
AAA-ZZZ for each number. The * in the call is changed dependent which
country you are in. Example, I am GM0ECO but if I go mobile down south I
become G0ECO or GW0ECO(as I used to be). Each station has a main station
address and I he operates anywhere else must operate as /p. It is a
hassle changing station addresses so is not done as a matter of routine.
Shetland is not seen as a seperate area so is populated with stations
(not a lot) with arbitary suffixs. There is no way of recognising the
calls by any pattern. K1EA's list in Master Dat is probaly your best bet.
The call book is quite usefull as if the adress is listed as Shetland
then the likelyhood is that it is the correct location (see above).
There are currently no real active contesters on Shetland. GM3ZET (the
club station in Lerwick gets on now and again plus one or two others.
Joe, W5ASP, and myself looked at doing a multi single last year in WAE
from the shetlands but gave up the idea due to lack of equipment up
there. The bigest antenna is a 2 el tribander at 40'!!!!! Anything bigger
just blows down in the consistent 30mph winds..and higher. There are no
trees on the islands.....well maybe 4 or 5 in someones back yard half way
between Lerwick and Brae. It's just too windy. It is 350 miles north of
Edinburgh and the propogation is bad enough this far north compared to
the south of England....so it must be awfull up there. I don't know how
Jon OY5JD gets on. There is a big Oil terminal on the main island which
employs a few hams but it is a very transient community with G5RV's the
norm.
Not the best place for a big contest effort.....more of a challenge.
Andy
GM0ECO (not shetland)
Burns_al at grrd04.dnet.bp.com
>From bob at mtdcr.att.com Mon Dec 21 12:11:00 1992
From: bob at mtdcr.att.com (bob at mtdcr.att.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: IC-765 PBT Mod
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I understand there is a relatively easy modification to convert
the IC-765 IF shift to PBT. Anybody have the instructions?
Tnx.
73,
Bob K2PH
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>From p00259 at psilink.com Mon Dec 21 12:19:27 1992
From: p00259 at psilink.com (John Dorr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Test Message
Message-ID: <2934044267.0.p00259 at psilink.com>
OK guys...who said the publishing world wasn't hi-tech!!
73,
John, K1AR
>From pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com Mon Dec 21 13:23:28 1992
From: pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com (pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10 Club belligerency, strife, warfare (contest) with contesting
Message-ID: <9212211823.AA04841 at bunny.gte.com>
I don't if all 10-10 club chapters are as venomously anti-contesting as the
local (Arlington VA) one is but they are getting more and more vehement about
it. The December 10-10 chapter newsletter was sent to me, with no return
address, and had the following articles highlighted:
"1992 ARRL PHone Sweepstakes - Irrational, Insipid, and INSANE"
- Nice alliteration, containing quotes such as "Sweepstakes ... should be
renamed "Sweep non-contesters off the 10 Meter Band stakes" and "So what did
the contester jerks do? Blew the kids off 1- Meters with their 100 KW and
higher ERP.
"ARRL Members to League .... De-emphasize contesting"
- Long tirade about NCJ, and the "contesterS who, de facto, control the ARRL
today"
They also gave NCJ the James Zimskind Big Bunghole Memorial Trophy to NCJ
for "refusing to consider any compromise whatsoever in reforming the present,
totally, insipid, contest modus operundi"
I assume I got a copy of this fine newsletter (you have to be impressed by any
publication that worked in the word "insipid" twice in one issue,) because I
am a columnist for the insipid, bland, watery, banal, inane, driveling,
innocuous, jejune, namby-pamby, vapid (synoyms for insipid) NCJ. I hope it is
not because I was ever lewd, loquacious, or lascivious (sp?).
They also compared the nasty ARRL to the FB CQ magazine organization. Wait
until they find out Alpha Romeo is now a CQ ringleader, lion, eminence,
notable, luminary, nabob (big-wig)!
Anyone want some laughs, send me your fax number and Ill fax it out. I plan
to ignore it, since I think Tom Taormina has already gotten into a venomous,
vile, repellent, malignant, loathsome, unwholesome (nasty) spat with them.
John WB2EKK
PESCATORE_JT at NCSD.GTE.COM
>From KU4A at LEXVMK.VNET.IBM.COM Mon Dec 21 13:38:54 1992
From: KU4A at LEXVMK.VNET.IBM.COM (Chris Gay 545-4876)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10
Message-ID: <mailman.45.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
Am I missing something here? Last time I checked, 10-10 International
sponsors at least one contest of their own. Hard to believe this
would represent anything approaching the majority opinion of the
10-10 organization and members.
73 de Chris KU4A
ku4a at lexvmk.vnet.ibm.com
>From potter at Think.COM Mon Dec 21 14:13:54 1992
From: potter at Think.COM (David Potter)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10
Message-ID: <9212211913.AA24694 at bach.think.com>
This is a minority opinion, but one that is guarenteed to get a reaction.
A year or so ago, we had a fellow on the packet circuit in New England who
made a lot of pretty extreme postings about contests, going so far as to
compare contesters with the Waffen SS. He got just what he was looking for,
a lot of controversy courtesy of a few of the people who were offended by
his comments. When they finally stopped replying to him, he shut up.
Let's not fall for the trick in this case.
73 es happy holidays to all
Dave K1MBO
>From alan at dsd.es.com Mon Dec 21 14:14:20 1992
From: alan at dsd.es.com (Alan Brubaker)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10 anti contest newsletter.
Message-ID: <9212212114.AA25126 at dsd.ES.COM>
It just shows you how some people just do not pay attention to what is
going on around them. The 10-10 International Net has been sponsoring
contests for many years, usually with various chapters sponsoring an
event or two and then another chapter sponsors events and so on.
They have both CW and SSB events, usually two of each per year (a
summer and winter event for each mode). Another misconception of many
of these anti-contest people is that the ARRL or CQ magazine is
entirely to blame. NOT!!! As we know, there are many organizations
that sponsor contests.
So sniveling like this is just a product of ignorance. It's just like
the old prospectors said; "Pay 'em no mind".
Alan, K6XO
alan at dsd.es.com
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Mon Dec 21 15:29:29 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10 anti contest newsletter.
Message-ID: <9212212129.AA00451 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
(response to Alan K6XO/7)
Yeah, right. When the 10-10 people stop giving each other
their numbers in "dollars and cents" I might have a little
respect for them - for some reason, this bugs the heck out
of me.
I admit that I joined and got a number, I thought it might
help one day when some rare DX was asking for 10-10 members.
I don't think I've ever given the number to anyone, and their
mag was no fun - lots of bad photos of what looked like the
FBI Most Wanted list. I happily let my membership lapse.
To anyone who wants it, you are 599 in TX and my number is
540 dollars and 07 cents, aarrgghh. (Or 54, double-oh 7,
just like my login name - wasn't worth $5 for that, though).
There - is that a reasoned response?
Derek AA5BT
>From larryt at ateq.com Mon Dec 21 13:17:36 1992
From: larryt at ateq.com (Larry Tyree x 7210)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Another XMAS story...
Message-ID: <9212212117.AA19676 at ateq.com>
Since contesters are the best at moving information, maybe someone out
there can help with this.
A friend of a friend called me today and has become aware of a shipment
of books that were sent from Portland, Oregon to a small village in the
Fiji Islands. The shipment has gotten as far as a nearby airport, but
needs to be picked up. There is a "ham" station on the island, callsign
unknown.
Also, I worked some 3D2 this morning on 40 and 80 CW, so maybe he can
help. If someone else runs into him, could you please QSP the following
information. I don't remember if we have a third party agrement with
Fiji, but concerning the content of the message, if they want to
throw me in jail for passing it along, then something is wrong.
The shipment of books is a XMAS present for a school on the island
of WAYA, which is in the YASAWA group in the west side of Fiji. The
name of the village is YALONBI. The message is that the shipment of
books for their school has made it as far as the airport in Nandi and
needs arrangements for delivery to the village.
The books are from Jerry Round in Portland and the person I am talking
to is Sammy who visited the village last year and is well known there
as Sammy.
If you are able to QSP this message to someone, please let me know so
I can inform the people here.
Thanks for letting me take up a minute or two of your time.
Tree N6TR
Larry "TREE" Tyree N6TR _. _.... _ ._. _.._. __...
islabs!ateq!larryt at sequent.com
work (503) 526-7210 home (503) 658-6012 fax (503) 526-7202
My views are not those of General Motors, IBM, HP or most other sane people.
>From mikemr at microsoft.com Mon Dec 21 11:08:54 1992
From: mikemr at microsoft.com (Michael Mraz)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: IC-765 PBT Mod
Message-ID: <9212211441.aa28825 at ingate.microsoft.COM>
I can't remember the exact issue, but the mod is described in the Hints&Kinks
column in a QST issue (from 1991 I think). Try looking in the annual index for
'91---it should be in there. Maybe one of the ARRL staffers on this mail
reflector can give you an exact citation.
I installed this mod, and it makes the 765 into a "real SSB rig."
BTW, if you're a CW contester, I developed a tracking CW sidetone mod
for the 765.
It should be published in one of the ARRL mags next year.
73 Mike N6MZ mikemr at microsoft.com
>From george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org Mon Dec 21 18:18:01 1992
From: george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org (george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <9212211914.S7286629 at austin.relay.ucm.org>
i think i once had a few 60+ hours in a 10-10 contest. ;-)
geoiii
wb5vzl/m/qrp/night owl charter number $123.56
>From pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com Tue Dec 22 07:29:25 1992
From: pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com (pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Ten dollars and Ten cents
Message-ID: <9212221229.AA22353 at bunny.gte.com>
OK, I admit it, when I was a johnny novice I got a 10-10 number too. I never
did use monetary units to give it out, since I was on a $5 a week allowance
in those days.
10-10 actually has an admirable goal, to spur ten meter activity. I think 10-10
should disband whenever the 6 month flux running average is above 70 and then
start over when it is below 70. When 10 is open we don't need an activity spur,
and this way they could charge initiation fees all over again.
EKK
>From KU4A at LEXVMK.VNET.IBM.COM Tue Dec 22 07:51:34 1992
From: KU4A at LEXVMK.VNET.IBM.COM (Chris Gay)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I, too, have a 10-10 number. I got it so that I could help out others
who are working toward the various "bars" (the awards for collecting
large numbers of 10-10 numbers). A lot of people have helped me on
awards down through the years, and so it is nice to be able to return
the favor. I never could get interested in working on the "bars" myself,
a source of considerable surprise to the real 10-10 enthusiasts.
Are the 6 and 2 meter similar groups still active (SMIRK - Six Meter
International Radio Klub and SWOT - Side Winders On Two)? I don't hear
much about them anymore.
73 es Happy Holidays
Chris KU4A
Kentucky Contest Group
>From Doug.Grant at analog.com Tue Dec 22 10:36:00 1992
From: Doug.Grant at analog.com (Doug.Grant at analog.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-X
Message-ID: <m0n4Bet-0001wNC at ibm_gate.analog.com>
I got my 10-X number from QSOs the day the Novices got 10M SSB. It comes in
handy when the band is open on hot summer nights with Sporadic E. The pileups
are great fun, especially since New Hampshire is semi-rare, and 4 elements at
100' with a KW is sufficient to pin S-meters during a good opening. Having the
10-X number keeps the pileup rolling and makes for contest-type exchanges to
keep the rate up.
I will admit that I have to keep the card handy, otherwise I forget the number
and I'd hate to have some poor guy's award application bounced for miscopying
my number! I look at 10-X as being sorta like county hunters - mostly harmless
and occasionally useful. Those guys in Virginia have more problems than just
being 10-X members.
73 de K1DG (43057...or is it 43087? I can't remember...)
>From mwilson at arrl.org Tue Dec 22 12:02:36 1992
From: mwilson at arrl.org (Mark Wilson)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10
Message-ID: <9909 at mw>
Lighten up.
The offending newsletter is published on the letterhead of
the Arlington, Virginia, chapter of 10-10 and is primarily
the work (and opinion) of AB4YP. It's not published by
10-10 International.
The opinions expressed in that newsletter are not necessarily
those of the entire 10-10 organization, any more than the
opinions of the editor of the YCCC Scuttlebutt (an ARRL affiliated
club) are those of ARRL.
So give 10-10 (the organization) a break! They do a lot to
encourage people to make noise on 10 meters at the bottom of
the solar cycle when you guys are all off running people on
160 meters.
If you want to take a few shots, send them to AB4YP. He'll
probably use the best excerpts in his next newsletter. If
you give him some really good fodder, maybe he'll put you
on the mailing list...
Mark Wilson, AA2Z
>From rhealy at arrl.org Tue Dec 22 11:15:12 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: IC-765 PBT/IF Shift mod
Message-ID: <12455 at jwh>
For the reader who asked: The IC-765 PBT mod appears in March 1991
QST, page 37, in the Hints and Kinks column.
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From price at cod.nosc.mil Tue Dec 22 09:41:45 1992
From: price at cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue Dec 22 08:25:34 1992
Message-ID: <9212221741.AA04587 at cod.nosc.mil>
-------
OK, I'll admit it, I have a 10-X number, too. (Note that it's NOT
"10-10," by the by)--40118 I think. I can't remember either. At
one point I was semi-gung-ho, had to have my 100 bar, etc. But
when I got it, I was a bit turned off. The "award" was a xeroxed
certificate (about 37th generation copy) with my info typed in
poorly. I thought--gee, can't they better than that?
Yes, they have contests, but they are kinda fuddy-duddy affairs.
In fact for a long time the 10-X CW contest was the same weekend
as SS CW (is it still?). Talk about built-in frustration!
So, ya, the guy in VA is probably only one guy blowing off steam,
but I think 10-X is basically a collectors group (like county
hunters and so on) which can be fun for a lot of people. But
it's generally not serious DXing or contesting.
Merry Xmas to all, by the by--Jim, K6ZH
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>From stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org Tue Dec 22 10:50:12 1992
From: stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org (George Noyes)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: 10-10 etc
Message-ID: <9212221750.AA04637 at stcvax.STORTEK.COM>
Gee guys, I DONT'T have a 10-10 number and I'm proud! :-)
I've been able to avoid getting one for 28 yrs, is that some kind of
record? Also, the SMIRK club is alive, but perhaps not quite as active
as in past years. They still have a 6m contest during the summer which
I usually get on for... I don't have a SMIRK number either! :-)
Sincerely $0.00 de George Noyes, W1XE
>From k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us Tue Dec 22 21:49:40 1992
From: k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us (k3lr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New op on line
Message-ID: <Pine.2.4.9212222108.A15246 at telerama.pgh.pa.us>
Hello and Holiday Greetings to All,
Please check K3LR into the Internet Contest Forum. After weeks
of watching, I am now on line and looking forward to contest chats.
73,
Tim K3LR (No Western PA is not the east coast!)
>From syn at sibcom.glas.apc.org Tue Dec 22 11:39:55 1992
From: syn at sibcom.glas.apc.org (Victor Budyukin)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Christmas
Message-ID: <2B3744DB at sibcom.glas.apc.org>
Hello cq-contest at tgv.com!
Contest team of UZ0AXX wish everybody MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
73 de Victor, UA0APO
FIDO: 2:5090/2 Internet: syn at sibcom.glas.apc.org
--- GoldEd 2.40+
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Wed Dec 23 11:03:57 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New op on line
Message-ID: <mailman.47.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
73,
Tim K3LR (No Western PA is not the east coast!)
No, but it's about 20 dB closer than Wisconsin!
73,
Scott K9MA
>From stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org Wed Dec 23 11:21:42 1992
From: stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org (George Noyes)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New op on line - Cont'd
Message-ID: <9212231821.AA15110 at stcvax.STORTEK.COM>
Let's see, if K3LR is 20 dB closer than Wisconsin, then I'd
guess he's about 36dB closer than Colorado!
73's es Merry Xmas to all
de George, W1XE (/0)
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Wed Dec 23 13:03:15 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New op on line - Cont'd
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
>Let's see, if K3LR is 20 dB closer than Wisconsin, then I'd
>guess he's about 36dB closer than Colorado!
>73's es Merry Xmas to all
>de George, W1XE (/0)
Welcome to the Black Hole!
73 and Merry Xmas,
Scott K9MA
>From larryt at ateq.com Wed Dec 23 11:33:12 1992
From: larryt at ateq.com (Larry Tyree x 7210)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <9212231933.AA28677 at ateq.com>
Recently I have experienced some monster pileups which have resulted in
the DX station hardly working a station a minute, and eventually resulted
in the DX station getting frustrated and going away.
We have all talked about the things the DX station can do to help the
situation, mainly by working split, but what about the hugh pileups?
I think they seem bigger than they used to. This morning on 40 meters,
the band was pretty quiet until a 9K2 showed up. Then all these stations
came out of the woodwork and pounced on him. I assume that he was announced
on packet and half the west coast heard their computer beep, grabbed their
coffee and morning paper and turned on the radio.
I think it is a reasonable conclusion that packet radio has increased the
size of pileups on rare DX stations significantly. I also think that it
has reduced the effort required to obtain any of the DX awards thereby
reducing the prestige of getting one.
I would like to see the sponsers of DX awards recognize the difference
between a single op and a assisted single op just like we do in contests
and perserve the prestige of their awards. It might also help discourage
the use of packet spotting nets which might help reduce the size of the
pileups. This might even result in people having to copy the DX stations
callsign again, instead of just looking at their computer screen.
The other day, I heard a friend calling in a high pileup and with the
disorder of the pileup, I could not hear the DX stations call. I later
asked him who he was calling and he told me the only reason he knew who
he was calling was because of packet radio. This is sad.
I know most of you think a DX station should sign his call every QSO.
I think the DX station might be able to get away with signing his call
every 30 seconds or so without trying the patience of too many of you.
This gives him a tool to control the number of stations calling IF
people do not call before they know the callsign (this is sinful in
my book) and there are no packet spotting nets.
In summary, I think the packet spotting net has cheapened the DX awards
as they are presently structured, and this will eventually make them
less interesting to everyone. Also, I think it promotes poor operating
habits since people assume that the DX stations call is what is printed
on their CRT, and that it makes many pileups too big to me managed by
the average DX operator.
It is really frustrating to sit there listening to a pileup out of
control and the only way I can find out who the station is, is to
turn on the two meter rig.
Well, that should generate some flames!! Fire away!!
Larry "TREE" Tyree N6TR _. _.... _ ._. _.._. __...
islabs!ateq!larryt at sequent.com
work (503) 526-7210 home (503) 658-6012 fax (503) 526-7202
My views are not those of General Motors, IBM, HP or most other sane people.
>From k4pql at vnet.ibm.com Wed Dec 23 15:40:30 1992
From: k4pql at vnet.ibm.com (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: PACKET
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
>
>Recently I have experienced some monster pileups which have resulted in
>the DX station hardly working a station a minute, and eventually resulted
>in the DX station getting frustrated and going away.
>
>We have all talked about the things the DX station can do to help the
>situation, mainly by working split, but what about the hugh pileups?
>I think they seem bigger than they used to. This morning on 40 meters,
>the band was pretty quiet until a 9K2 showed up. Then all these stations
>came out of the woodwork and pounced on him. I assume that he was announced
>on packet and half the west coast heard their computer beep, grabbed their
>coffee and morning paper and turned on the radio.
>
>I think it is a reasonable conclusion that packet radio has increased the
>size of pileups on rare DX stations significantly. I also think that it
>has reduced the effort required to obtain any of the DX awards thereby
>reducing the prestige of getting one.
>
>I would like to see the sponsers of DX awards recognize the difference
>between a single op and a assisted single op just like we do in contests
>and perserve the prestige of their awards. It might also help discourage
>the use of packet spotting nets which might help reduce the size of the
>pileups. This might even result in people having to copy the DX stations
>callsign again, instead of just looking at their computer screen.
>
>The other day, I heard a friend calling in a high pileup and with the
>disorder of the pileup, I could not hear the DX stations call. I later
>asked him who he was calling and he told me the only reason he knew who
>he was calling was because of packet radio. This is sad.
>
>I know most of you think a DX station should sign his call every QSO.
>I think the DX station might be able to get away with signing his call
>every 30 seconds or so without trying the patience of too many of you.
>This gives him a tool to control the number of stations calling IF
>people do not call before they know the callsign (this is sinful in
>my book) and there are no packet spotting nets.
>
>In summary, I think the packet spotting net has cheapened the DX awards
>as they are presently structured, and this will eventually make them
>less interesting to everyone. Also, I think it promotes poor operating
>habits since people assume that the DX stations call is what is printed
>on their CRT, and that it makes many pileups too big to me managed by
>the average DX operator.
>
>It is really frustrating to sit there listening to a pileup out of
>control and the only way I can find out who the station is, is to
>turn on the two meter rig.
>
>Well, that should generate some flames!! Fire away!!
>
>
>Larry "TREE" Tyree N6TR _. _.... _ ._. _.._. __...
>islabs!ateq!larryt at sequent.com
>work (503) 526-7210 home (503) 658-6012 fax (503) 526-7202
>
>My views are not those of General Motors, IBM, HP or most other sane people.
--------------------------
Tree-
Good points, I couldnt agree more.
I regard packet dxing in the same category as
DXing off a list.
I frankly do not care about the dxing impact, but believe
it is contributing significantly to the contest pileups.
--------------------------
73, Howie K4PQL
>From mikemr at microsoft.com Wed Dec 23 12:49:43 1992
From: mikemr at microsoft.com (Michael Mraz)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <9212231255.aa02783 at ingate.microsoft.COM>
Yeah, Tree, I heard you on 40 this morning as I was sipping coffee and watching
the packetcluster screen ( ;-> ). I heard the pile on the 9K2 but didn't feel
like dealing with it. I was also looking for your user record on the cluster...
Frankly, I find that I listen MORE now that I have packetcluster. I
like to be the
first one to throw out the spot. A few weeks ago I was lucky enough to
be listening
on 14025 just when Baldur showed up calling CQ (5X5WR). I worked him on
the first
try (100W and TH11). I think the cluster has motivated me to do much
more listening
than I did before. And there's no doubt that it helped me with the
second hundred.
The pileups on P5RS7 have been huge also. But the ops are experienced and their
rates seem to be pretty good. I don't think packetcluster has made the pileups
any MORE unruly---there are the same proportion of poor ops---but there are
probably more ops in the pile. All the more reason to listen more and be the
station who makes the spot.
Happy holidays everyone!! 73 Mike N6MZ mikemr at microsoft.com
>From mikemr at microsoft.com Wed Dec 23 12:51:23 1992
From: mikemr at microsoft.com (Michael Mraz)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <9212231256.aa02823 at ingate.microsoft.COM>
BTW Tree, there was never a spot on the PNW cluster for that 9K2
this morning. So that leaves out BC, WA, and OR. see ya
>From price at cod.nosc.mil Wed Dec 23 13:15:29 1992
From: price at cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed Dec 23 12:10:09 1992
Message-ID: <9212232115.AA19093 at cod.nosc.mil>
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OK, Tree, flame on (politely, of course).
I'm a relatively "little guy"--I run a TS-430S barefoot to a TH-3
at 35 feet, dipoles on 40 and 80 at same height. I do have a good
canyon rim location that favors north and east. I was kinda half
hearted about DX until the packet cluster came along. It's so
efficient that I can optimize my very limited operating time to
work what I need, and contribute spots when I can. Yes, it's made
the quest for DXCC a whole new ballgame, but for me packetcluster
has made it attainable whereas I would never devote the time
previously. Is that bad? To some I'm sure it is. But for me
it's an operating aid like using CT in contests. Technology and
time march on and you hope some things improve.
I have 302 countries worked, by the by, and have worked the last
50 or 60 of them with the aid of packetcluster. I'd be
significantly below that without it, I'm sure.
I think your argument can be extended to suggest that I shouldn't
subscribe to the DX Bulletin either. That clearly gives me a leg
up on who the guy on 21025 might be on a given day, for example.
I guess my feeling is that the "assisted" vs. "unassisted" is
kinda silly. Most everybody has access to DX publications,
packetclusters, and so on. Just use what you can. I'm
considerably disadvantaged compared to many by not having a big
tower and a KW. But that's by my choice. If someone chooses not
to use packetcluster, that's his choice. Same difference--it all
adds toward working (or not) a given DX station at a given time.
Incidentally, I have *never* worked a guy without hearing his
call, altho I will admit to having worked a guy based on a
packetcluster spot first and praying the spot was right.
Flame off, and merry Xmas to all--Jim, K6ZH
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>From Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM Wed Dec 23 15:08:23 1992
From: Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM (Steve Fraasch)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Line Noise from "Big" Lines
Message-ID: <199212231508233119 at gateway1.ATK.COM>
I just moved to a new qth: 19 acres, flat marsh land, few neighbors,
underground power..., but I still have !*&#%$*** LINE NOISE !!
Using a 2 meter rig with an am detector and 6 element yagi, I located the
source to a high tension line (> 100 KV) tower about 3 miles away. I hear the
noise on 160, 80 and 40 meters.
Does anyone have experience working with their power company in trying to fix
high tension noise problems, or does it take a power outage to bring the crew
out ? I don't want to appear eccentric (or deranged, which by definition if
you're a ham I suppose you are) but at the same time, I want it fixed. Are
they not obligated to fix noise problems ? What's the best strategy ?
Once a WB Zero, always a WB Zero,
Steve, K0SF
reply to: Steve_Fraasch at gateway1.ATK.COM
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Wed Dec 23 15:20:14 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1043801130.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I agree with all Larry's comments on the packet generated pile-ups.
Much of the trouble would go away if there were just some way to prevent
anyone from calling before copying the callsign. Limiting packet postings
to country and frequency only would help, but wouldn't work for
expeditions when everyone knows the callsign of the only station
in the country. There's probably no enforcible way to require DX
stations to sign more frequently.
I've never been on the other end, but it seems that when a pile-up gets
so out of control that a station is only making one contact every
two minutes, there are lots of ways the DX station could improve on that.
One is to QSY, call a short CQ, work a few stations until things slow
down, then QSY again. I've heard a few stations do this. Most of the
alligators are let behind. It shouldn't be hard to stay one step
ahead of the packet postings. I heard one station say "U 5", then
work someone down 5. That works, as long as he never works someone
right on his own frequency. In any case, perhaps many DX operators
don't understand the full impact of packet, and could use some direction.
There are plenty of you who have seen things from both sides, so perhaps
you have some suggestions for other DX operators. It does seem
that the DX operators are in the best postion to do something about
the problem.
73,
Scott K9MA
>From reisert at mast.enet.dec.com Wed Dec 23 16:28:51 1992
From: reisert at mast.enet.dec.com (Jim Reisert AD1C 23-Dec-1992 1633)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <9212232128.AA09833 at us1rmc.bb.dec.com>
------------------Reply to mail dated 23-DEC-1992 15:17:18.26------------------
Larry, N6TR wrote:
>I think it is a reasonable conclusion that packet radio has increased the
>size of pileups on rare DX stations significantly.
I think it has increased the size of pileups for *medium-rare* DX stations.
The very rare DX will always have huge pileups, and the common DX won't have
pileups at all, even if they're spotted.
While it may have "cheapened DX awards", it has added an interesting
strategy element to contesting. Do you jump in the pileup right away, or
wait until all the other stations in your area (who presumably have seen the
same DX spot) have worked the DX? And sometimes it's fun to watch the
feeding frenzy that develops after you discover someone, work him and put
the DX spot out! ;-)
>This might even result in people having to copy the DX stations
>callsign again, instead of just looking at their computer screen.
Even in a contest, I want to hear the callsign of the DX station I'm
working. I dont want to lose points because of someone else's bad spot.
The thing that bothers me most about packet is the guys who use packet
instead of listening. A since-forgotten operator put up a packet message
last night similar to the following:
P5RS7 was on 14.005 listening up. Since I can't transmit below 14.025,
I plunked down on 14025.7 and proceeded to call him. After <n>
frustrating minutes, I noticed the packet screen saying, "worked 19.2",
"worked 021", etc. So I know he was tuning up, and continued to call
him. When he got over 025, he heard my call and I worked him.
Big deal. He could have saved a lot of RF by listening for the station that
the P5 was working, instead of calling, in this case, blindly. But he let
packet be his guide. Repeated "worked 034.6" spots really bug me - they're
a waste of packet bandwidth, and they aren't timely. But I'll save this
rant for another day.
73 & Happy Holidays!
- Jim AD1C
--
Jim Reisert Internet: reisert at mast.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corp. UUCP: ...decwrl!mast.enet.dec.com!reisert
146 Main Street - MLO3-6/C9 Voice: 508-493-5747
Maynard, MA 01754 FAX: 508-493-0395
>From steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu Wed Dec 23 14:57:56 1992
From: steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu (Steven London)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:30 2003
Subject: Line Noise
Message-ID: <9212232157.AA07860 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
QRN from a 100 KV line 3 miles away. That's incredible !
Our power company has a special crew that handles transmission lines, and they
seem to be competent. When you call the power company, make sure
they understand it's a transmission line, not your neighborhood
distribution lines. The guys who handle the local problems need special
motivation to get something done (it took some calls to higher-ups at
the power company).
I have a 100 KV line 1/4 mile away NW, N and NE of me, and it is very quiet.
On the other hand, the pole at the corner of the yard gave me fits for a
year until the power company was properly motivated.
Steve, N2IC/0
>From winter at apple.com Wed Dec 23 14:07:27 1992
From: winter at apple.com (Patty Winter)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: New topic to throw around...
Message-ID: <9212232207.AA13055 at apple.com>
N6TR writes:
>I would like to see the sponsers of DX awards recognize the difference
>between a single op and a assisted single op just like we do in contests
>and perserve the prestige of their awards.
A worthy goal, Tree, and a logical comparison to contests, but
where would we draw the line at "assisted"?
If I call a friend on the telephone and say, "Bob, quick--there's a ZA
station on 14.180," I've assisted him. I wouldn't do that if he was
running single-op in a contest, but I would if he was just dialing
around the band looking for DX.
It would require quite a behavioral change among DXers and their
friends to stop doing things like that.
Patty
>From stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org Wed Dec 23 13:57:14 1992
From: stortek!George_Noyes at csn.org (George Noyes)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: DX Pileups
Message-ID: <9212232057.AA16210 at stcvax.STORTEK.COM>
Flame, Flame .... I'll have to think about Tree's comments on single vs
unassisted... I'm not totally sure that the packet bulletin dx announcement
is the problem, but the "mentallity" of the pseudo-dxer who perhaps came
from a more seedy origin (ie CBer :-)).
One of the chief offending "LIBD"s that I find during pileups is the one
that Tree mentioned: The guy who calls but cannot hear! I sometimes wish
I could "pin" that type of guy's coax. They obviously haven't a clue as
to which signal in the pileup is the dx station, but they continue to call
him thru multiple QSOs that the dx station is completing.
Primarily, etiquette is required. Don't call unless you hear the station.
Be patient....
Oh yah, here's another pet peeve I can direct to some of the "dxers"! If
you have worked the guy previously and a pileup is in progress, don't
call the guy! It just adds fuel to the "fools". (I've lost a few this way
when some other guy who's obviously worked the guy previously, decides
he wants to have a nice looooooonnnnnnnngggggg ragchew with him.... he
then the conditions went away..... humph humph.....grump....)
Hey, that ought to help the flames Tree!
73's de George W1XE
>From k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us Wed Dec 23 22:41:40 1992
From: k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us (k3lr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: 10 and 160 meter contest data
Message-ID: <Pine.2.4.9212232221.A6065 at telerama.pgh.pa.us>
As requested by several:
K3LR multi-single 10 meter score breakdown:
CW 1020 QSOs 85 DX mults 57 US/VE
SSB 1779 100 58
2799 185 115 300 mults= 2,295,000
Ops were WR3G (ex WB3KKX) who worked all the CW guys
N8SYK "Back scatter Bob" who hadled the night oping
K3LR who made the DVP call CQ
Antennas: 7ele/7ele/7ele at 100'/66'/33'
100' and 66' are each rotatable and 33' is fixed on EU
>From k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us Wed Dec 23 22:45:12 1992
From: k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us (k3lr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: 160 contest
Message-ID: <Pine.2.4.9212232221.A6065 at telerama.pgh.pa.us>
ARRL 160 Contest multi-single K3LR
1353 QSOs 75 secs 24 DXmults 32 DX QSOS =277,398
Ops were: WR3G, W3YQ and K3LR
Antennas: 4 element parasitic array hung from 190 feet.
Inverted vee at 150'
73,
Tim K3LR
>From george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org Thu Dec 24 02:32:10 1992
From: george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org (george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <9212240303.S9155454 at austin.relay.ucm.org>
what i dont like about packetcluster are the folks who dont tune their rigs
at all they just wait for spots to work. i do just the oppsite i tune and
spot but rarely work any of them.
geoiii
>From bob at micro-c.mcds.com Thu Dec 24 13:00:04 1992
From: bob at micro-c.mcds.com (Robert E Naumann)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Subscribe
Message-ID: <TeqawB1w165w at micro-c.mcds.com>
Please add me to the distribution list.
73, Bob KR2J bob at micro-c.mcds.com
>From hardie at herald.usask.ca Sat Dec 26 11:39:02 1992
From: hardie at herald.usask.ca (Peter Hardie)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Czecho-Slovakia
Message-ID: <9212261739.AA02382 at herald.usask.ca>
Is the split of Czechoslovakia already recognized by the ARRL? i.e. as of Jan 1
they are two separate countries for DXCC as well as in fact?
73 de Pete VE5VA
hardie at herald.usask.ca
>From reisert at mast.enet.dec.com Sat Dec 26 14:07:02 1992
From: reisert at mast.enet.dec.com (Jim Reisert AD1C 26-Dec-1992 1410)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Czecho-Slovakia
Message-ID: <9212261907.AA07951 at us1rmc.bb.dec.com>
------------------Reply to mail dated 26-DEC-1992 12:51:17.52------------------
>Is the split of Czechoslovakia already recognized by the ARRL? i.e. as of Jan 1
>they are two separate countries for DXCC as well as in fact?
I don't think so. Until there is a formal announcement by the ARRL Awards
committee, there are no new countries. If this split is official, and
recognized, the ARRL will most likely grant new country status, retroactive
to the independence date, in this case Jan 1, 1993.
So you can work the new OK stations starting Jan 1, but don't submit any
cards to the ARRL until they decide on the DXCC country status.
73 - Jim AD1C
--
Jim Reisert Internet: reisert at mast.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corp. UUCP: ...decwrl!mast.enet.dec.com!reisert
146 Main Street - MLO3-6/C9 Voice: 508-493-5747
Maynard, MA 01754 FAX: 508-493-0395
>From buettneb at guug.de Sun Dec 27 12:42:03 1992
From: buettneb at guug.de (buettneb at guug.de)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: QSL Info WWDXCW 1992
Message-ID: <9212271145.AA18333 at muenchen.guug.de>
Hi Contesters!
The following information was compiled by DL7MAE & DL6RAI.
The list contains QSL information from the CQWWDX Contest CW
1992 as to our best knowledge.
There are four pages. The pages are separated by the form feed
character which most every printer should understand. I have left
out other control characters because they are not understood
by some.
If you have any additions or corrections to the list, please drop
me a line. If you don't care about contests and things like that,
press 'K' now..
73 Ben
WWDX-CW 1992 QSL Info Page 1
4F2IR DU3DO C56/F6BFH F6BFH J39BS WB2LCH
4J4GC UG6GAW C56/F9IE F9IE J79MAE DL5MAE
4K2MAL UB5MAL C6A/N4RP N4RP JA9IAX/JD1 JJ1TBB
4K4POL/A UA0KCL C6AHJ AA2Z JT1/JI2MED JI2MED
4L3Q RW3QC C9RJJ W8GIO JT1/UA3DK DJ2VZ
4M2BYT CT1AHU CR3W DF5UL JT1T JT1KAA
4M5X YV5ARV CR5A G4ODV JW5NM LA5NM
4N0B YU1BBA CT3FN HB9CRV JW9XG LA9XG
4N1Z YU1QL CX0CW LU8DPM JX7DFA LA7DFA
4N4T YU4JLM D2EL EA7EL JY8VJ DL1VJ
4N5CN YU5CN D68GA N6ZV K3TEJ/KP4 K3TEJ
4N5M YU5GBC DF5UL/CT3 DF5UL KD7P/NH2 KD7P
4N5RQ YU5CEF EA8EA OH2MM KH0AM JE1CKA
4N5W YU5GBC EA9EA EA7LQ KH2S JH4RHF
4N7M YU7KMN EX9X UA9XC KP2A W3HNK
4N7MOD YU7ADA EZ6L UZ6LWZ KP4/W8HNI W8HN
4N9A YU1FJK FK8FU N5AU LX/DF0BK DF0BK
4O4D YU4FDE FM2GO FB1MUX LX/DK5PD DK5PD
4U1ITU DL5XX FM4FZ FB1MUX LX/OH2PQ OH2PQ
4U1VIC OE-Bureau FM5BH F6FEG LX0RL OH2PQ
4V2PK N1DRS FS/AI7B AI7B LY4W LY2WW
4X4NJ WA4WTG FY/OH7XM OH7XM LY7A LY2ZO
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6W7/F1LGQ F1LGQ GD4UOL G4UOL LZ6G LZ2KAD
6W7/F6AUS F6AUS GJ/K2WR K2WR LZ6L LZ-Bureau
6W7/F6BFH F6BFH H21A 9A2AJ LZ6Z LZ2KHM
6W7/F9IE F9IE H23W 5B4WN LZ9A LZ2KTS
7P8FE OH3GZ H27W 5B4WN NP2I KP2-Bureau
7Q7TA JH1OGC H44IO Y49IO NP4Z WC4E
7Q7XX JH3RRA HB0/HB9AON DJ2YE OA4ZV OA-Bureau
7Z2AB AA0BC HB4FE HB9-Bureau OD5/SP1MHV SP1MHV
8P9DF OH3RB HC8N AA5BT OD5PL HB9CRV
8P9DH K2BMI HF0POL SP9DWT OG... OH...
8P9HT K4BAI HG1S HA1KSA OH0W OH2BH
8P9Z K4BAI HG6Y HA6OI OK5W OK1AEZ
8R1K OH0XX HG73DX HA4ZZ OL1A OK1DOK
9H1EL LA2TO HL9AH AH6FX OL3A OK1AYP
9K2USA K8EFS HL9TG WA7NTF OT2D ON7LR
9M6NA JE1JKL HP1AC HP-Bureau OY9JD CBA
9Y4H K6NA HS0AC HS1HSJ P29PL VK9NS
9Y4VU W3EVW HT1T SM0KCR P40I OH2KI
A22MN WA8JOC HZ1AB K8PYD P40J WX4G
A61AC ON7LX HZ1HZ N7RO P40MM N2MM
BV/K1RX K1RX II2A I2UIY P40W N2MM
BV2A K2CM IO9AF IT9AF P40X N6BT
BV2DA DL7FT IQ4A I4VEQ PI4COM PA3CAL
C56/F6AOI F6AOI IR4T IK4IEE PJ2/OH6RI OH6RI
C56/F6AUS F6AUS J37H KJ4VH PJ9M OH6RM
WWDX-CW 1992 QSL Info Page 2
PJ9U OH1VR VD... VE...
PJ9V OH3VV VE2CSI KQ8M
PY0FM AH3C VK9LD VK4CRR
R3R RA3RQT VP2EC N5AU
R6Y RA6YY VP2EST KT8Y
RA9C UZ9CZO VP2V/KG6WI KG6WI
RB0H/RL7PEO RL7PEO VP5/N4FD N4FD
RK3A UZ3AXX VP5/W1UA W1UA
RK3B UA3AGW VP5P WN5A
RL0L UL7LA VP5T WB4FLB
RL5P UL7PAE VQ9IO VQ9-Bureau
RL6P RL8PY VS6WO K9EC
RO0F DF8BK WJ2O/KP4 WJ2O
RO0Q SP7LZD WN4KKN/HC8 AA5BT
RW9C UZ9CWA WP4D N7RO
RY0I NA3O WP4IIW KP4-Bureau
RY1I NA3O XE1/AA6RX AA6RX
RY2I NA3O XR3A CE3DNP
RY7D RB5DX YB6AVE DJ5CQ
RY8B RB5BA YE2C YB2FRR
S79S KQ1F YP6F YO6KAF
SN3A SP3GEM YT7A YU7GMN
SO2FCJ OK1FCJ YV2BYT CT1AHU
SV5/SM0CMH SM0CMH YX5A YV5ANT
SV5/W4PRO W4PRO Z21HQ DF2RG
SV9BAI SV9ADH ZA/OH1MKT HB9BGN
T32BE WC5P ZA1A HB9BGN
T42CW JH1GIC ZC4BG N7BG
TE1T SM0RBO ZC4FOC GM3YTS
TF3CW TF-Bureau ZC4GE K7GE
TI1C TI2CF ZC4MF KC7V
TM5SA F6EEM ZC4SXW G3SXW
TM5TRS FF3RM ZC4VT K5VT
TM9C F5IN ZC4Z AA7NO
TU2CI CBA ZF2TG WQ5W
TU2MA OH7XM ZK1TB W7TB
TU4SR OH8SR ZM2K ZL2IR
UA1Z/RA1WQ RA1WQ ZP5JCY ZP-Bureau
UB7W UB4WZA ZS6/G3SGQ G3SGQ
UC8A UC-Bureau ZV5A PY5CW
UD6DKW Y42DA
UO0Z I8YGZ
US1U PA3BUD
UT2L UB5LCV
UW2F DK4VW
UX1A KC1WY
UX3D UA3DPX
UX6B OH7AB
UX9C UZ9CXE
V31DX KA6V
V31RY WN0B
V47KP K2DOX
V73C V73CT
WWDX-CW 1992 QSL Info Page 3
Direct Addresses
4K4BAT A.V. Klyukin, P.O.Box 2, Dickson-Isl., 663241, Russia
4N5KO P.O. Box 107, 92220 Svetinikola, Macedonia
5N0ZKJ P.O. Box 1009, Lagos, Nigeria
7P8SR P.O. Box 333, Maseru, Lesotho
9M2FK Eshee Razak, P.O. Box 13, Penang, Malaysia
9V1YC James A. Brooks, P.O. Box 1265, Singapore 9117,
Singapore
9V1ZE 223 St. Johns Road, Singapore 2775, Singapore
BV2CR Dennis Wen, P.O. Box 53-871, Taipei, Taiwan
BY4AA ARS of Shanghai Radio Sports Assn., P.O. Box 205,
Shanghai, PR China
BY4SZ ARS of Suzhou Radio Sports Assn., P.O. Box 51,
Suzhou, PR China
D44BC Julio S. Vera Cruz, P.O. Box 36, Mindelo,
Cape Verde Islands
DU3HF Tin Bun C. See, Box SC 73, Manila, Philippines
FG5BG Georges Santtalikan, 44 Rue Amedee Tengard, Brest,
F-97130 Capesterre Belle Eau, Guadeloupe
FP/VE1KM Ron Thompson, B.P. 383, Saint Pierre,
F-97500 Saint Pierre et Miquelon
HC5AI Alfonso Villavicencio Bernal, P.O. Box 1300, Cuenca,
Ecuador
J20UFT P.O. Box 2417, Djibouti, Djibouti
KC6SS OKDXA, P.O. Box 88, Wellston, OK 74881, USA
KC6VV OKDXA, P.O. Box 88, Wellston, OK 74881, USA
KG6DX J.E. Chalmers, 93 Gardenia Ave, Latte Heights,
Barrigada, GU 96913, USA
NP2Q Anthony A. Arnold, P.O. Box 3116,
Saint Thomas, VI 00801, USA
OX3RA Herluf Rasmussen, Sanatorievej Block 642,
P.O. Box 360, DK-3920 Julianehaab, Greenland
OY1CT Carsten Thomsen, P.O. Box 25, FR-340 Kvivik,
Faroe Islands
PT0F AH3C, Pete H. Grillo, 6493 S Lombardy,
Salt Lake City, UT 84121, USA
PZ1DV P.O. Box 9006, Paramaribo, Surinam
SU1AH Ahmed Hasan Ahmed, 40 Al Zahraa Str. Ein Shams,
Cairo, Egypt
T70A Radio Club, P.O. Box 77, RSM-47031 San Marino,
San Marino
T77C Tony Ceccoli, Via Delle Carrare 67, RSM-47031 Murata,
San Marino
T77T Pier Paolo Taddei, Via A. Lincoln 64,
RSM-47031 Borgo Maggiore, San Marino
TA2BK Bahri Kaan, Camilca Cad. 26, Kuzguncuk, Istanbul,
Turkey
TA3D P.O. Box 963, Izmir, Turkey
TA7M Mehmet Calkayis, Carsi Mh Cumhuriyet, Cd 1 3,
TR-61000 Trabzon, Turkey
TF3DX Vilhjalmur Thor Kjartansson, Silungakvisl 10,
15-110 Reykjavik, Iceland
WWDX-CW 1992 QSL Info Page 4
TF3EJ Jakob Helgason, Lokastig 7 (kjallari), 101 Reykjavik,
Iceland
TI2PZ Jose A. Zuniga Solis, P.O. Box 1816, San Jose 1000,
Costa Rica
TK5BF Jacques Godard, 46 Ave. du d'Ail, La Turbie,
F-06320 Cap d'Ail, Corsica, France
TK5EL L. Emanuelli, Via la Bicoque, Lot les Collines, Biguglia,
F-20200 Bastia, Corsica, France
VP9GD Vivian Siddle, Box WK 527, Warwick WK BX, Bermuda
VU2MTT V.S. Gopala Krishnan, c/o S Bhat, Palashathadka House,
P O Kav, Tq Puthur, Vill Madnoor, S Kanara 574223, India
VU2NPZ Zareer J. Contractor, 112 Beldish Lake View Flats, Bistupur,
Jamshedpur, 831001, India
XE1VV Lorne Sidney, Libin Karsh, Priv de las Quintas 9,
P.O. Box 1594, Cuernavaca, Mor 62000, Mexico
XE2MX Jose Merced Lozano Lozano, Ave 18 de Marzo 1904, Hidalgo,
P.O. Box 288, Esenada, BC 22800, Mexico
Z21HS P.O. Box 4110, Harare, Zimbabwe
ZD8LII Box 2, Ascension Island, South Atlantic
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[] Mail: Am Brunnen 18, 8011 Kirchheim, Germany
[] Internet: buettneb at guug.de
[] Packet: DL6RAI @ DB0AAB.BAY.DEU.EU
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>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sun Dec 27 17:03:31 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: NAQP
Message-ID: <921227220330_71662.17_CHJ17-1 at CompuServe.COM>
>I am trying to get a Colorado NAQP team set up. Unfortunately, the
>potential team members aren't enthused because they figure that none
>of them is going to win Colorado, and therefore, won't get a certificate.
>Does the NAQP give a certificate to each member of the top scoring
>team (like the NA Sprint) ?
>This, of course presumes that we will be the top socring team !
>Steve, N2IC/0
Yes the NAQP does have certificates for each member of a winning team. We
had originally tried to give out T-shirts for each member but the cost and
time ended up being to much for me.
Thanks
Bill, KM9P
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sun Dec 27 17:13:20 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Test message
Message-ID: <921227221320_71662.17_CHJ17-3 at CompuServe.COM>
K1AR writes:
>OK guys...who said the publishing world wasn't hi-tech!!
>73,
>John, K1AR
We're all in trouble now!
-------------------------
Welcome aboard John!
mississippi
Bill, KM9P
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sun Dec 27 19:20:55 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: New member on board...
Message-ID: <921228002054_71662.17_CHJ77-2 at CompuServe.COM>
Tim Duffy (K3LR) signs his note:
>73,
>Tim K3LR (No Western PA is not the east coast!)
I'de like to hear what what WN4KKN/6, N6TR, N2IC/0, WB5VZL, ect think of
this interpretation of "east coast" ?
When I operated in California with N6ND and NI6W they considered anything
east of the rockies the east coast. Down here in Georgia I consider
anyone who can run Europe on 20 meter SSB in the afternoon to be on the
east coast. But, when I was in Missouri at K4VX I considered W9RE to be
on the east coast....
I guess it's all a matter of perspective!
73' & Welcome aboard Tim!
>From reisert at mast.enet.dec.com Mon Dec 28 10:15:20 1992
From: reisert at mast.enet.dec.com (Jim Reisert AD1C 28-Dec-1992 1018)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: GCP915.ZIP - Great Circle map centered on lat/long
Message-ID: <9212281515.AA21586 at us1rmc.bb.dec.com>
I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:
pd1:<msdos.graphics>
GCP915.ZIP Great Circle map centered on lat/long
This MS-DOS program prints a great-circle map centered on your QTH. It is
printed in four sheets which must be taped together - two for the left side
and two for the right.
If you do not have FTP access to SIMTEL20 or its mirrors, files may be
ordered by e-mail from these servers:
Location EARN/BITNET Internet
-------------- ---------------- ----------------------------------
In USA: LISTSERV at NDSUVM1 LISTSERV at VM1.NODAK.EDU
In USA: LISTSERV at RPITSVM LISTSERV at VM.ITS.RPI.EDU
In Turkey: TRICKLE at TREARN TRICKLE at EGE.EDU.TR
In Denmark: TRICKLE at DKTC11
In Italy: TRICKLE at IMIPOLI
In Belgium: TRICKLE at BANUFS11 TRICKLE at UFSIA.AC.BE
In Austria: TRICKLE at AWIWUW11 TRICKLE at AWIWUW11.WU-WIEN.AC.AT
In Germany: TRICKLE at DS0RUS1I TRICKLE at RUSVM1.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE
In Israel: TRICKLE at TAUNIVM TRICKLE at VM.TAU.AC.IL
In Netherlands: TRICKLE at HEARN TRICKLE at HEARN.NIC.SURFNET.NL
In France: TRICKLE at FRMOP11 TRICKLE at FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR
In Chile: TRICKLE at USACHVM1
In Colombia: TRICKLE at UNALCOL TRICKLE at UNALCOL.UNAL.EDU.CO
In Taiwan: TRICKLE at TWNMOE10 TRICKLE at TWNMOE10.EDU.TW
If your mailer wants bang paths: uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv
uunet!vm.its.rpi.edu!listserv
If you use bang paths, substitute your nearest neighbor which is also
on the Internet for uunet in the examples above. Some examples are:
ames, decvax, decwrl, harvard, hplabs, nosc, rutgers, sharkey, sun,
ucbvax, ucsd, udel, uw-beaver, wuarchive.
Send these commands to the server to get its help files:
HELP
GET PDGET HELP
Sample command (which gets our catalog of MS-DOS files):
/PDGET MAIL PD:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMLIST.ZIP UUENCODE
These commands should be sent as the body of a regular email message.
Do not include a signature because it confuses the server. If you
have xxdecode, you may wish to specify XXENCODE instead of UUENCODE to
avoid character translation problems.
>From 72407.1262 at CompuServe.COM Mon Dec 28 20:12:54 1992
From: 72407.1262 at CompuServe.COM (Rich Gelber K2WR)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: P5 freq. spread
Message-ID: <921229011253_72407.1262_DHB80-1 at CompuServe.COM>
Last night's 100 KHz+ spread by P5RS7 on 20 CW was positively revolting.
There can't be any excuse for taking up an entire band. When I've
complained in the past about this tendency of Romeo's, Ed NT2X always
tells me:
"There's no choice given the volume of weak signals calling",
but I don't believe it. After all, you're only trying to pick out
ONE callsign or fragment at a time. This is a fairly new development
in DXpeditions, and probably first happened with 3Y5X. But Romeo seems
to do it every time now. Now, I LIKE Romeo, and can't ignore his
courage and skill in getting into impossible places, but to take
up an entire band on trip after trip suggests to me that someone's
ego is playing a role.
de Rich K2WR
Distribution:
>INTERNET:cq-contest at tgv.com
>From steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu Mon Dec 28 20:35:36 1992
From: steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu (Steven London)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: "East Coast"
Message-ID: <9212290335.AA10585 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
At the risk of pissing off all my midwest and southern friends, I use
the term "east coast" in referring to an area of comparable propagation.
In my view, that area is everything east of the northeast-southwest line
from Cleveland to Dallas. Yes, the Texas gang has shorter EU openings than
New England, but the quality of those openings is not all that different.
Look at how well
the Texas gang can do into EU on 80 meters compared to stations like
W0AIH, despite the distance "advantage" that AIH "enjoys". Night after night
I listen on 3797 and I am convinced that the guys on my "east coast",
including SE Texas, have a 30 to 40 dB advantage to EU compared to here
in Colorado. Oh sure, K0RF and AA6TT/0 do okay to EU on 80, but
they ought to with 3 element rotatable yagis ! Yes, I know you guys in
western PA and Texas have a tough time competing with W1KM, etc.
on 80, but I doubt you are giving up 30 dB. On the higher bands,
with undisturbed condx, there is very little difference between
New England, Western PA., and Houston, except for the length of the openings.
Western PA is borderline "east coast". The scores from K3TUP and K3LR are very
impressive. If it was 300 miles farther south, it would certainly be
"east coast".
Basically, in my view, going south is more important than going east.
This will become particularly apparent as the sunspots continue to decline.
Steve, N2IC/0
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Tue Dec 29 09:19:57 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC's "east coast"
Message-ID: <921229141956_71662.17_CHJ4-1 at CompuServe.COM>
>Yes, I know you guys in
>western PA and Texas have a tough time competing with W1KM, etc.
>on 80, but I doubt you are giving up 30 dB.
As the guy says in the Nike commercial... "WRONG!"
Talking with KQ2M and N2NT after CQWW CW they both commented on the 30
over 9 signals from the russians on 80 meters! I may have worked 4 or 5
russian stations on 80 and none of them were over S-9. I doubt W0AIH even
heard them! So yes, there is a TREMENDOUS advantage for the W1's and W2's
esspecially on a band like 80 meters.
>Western PA is borderline "east coast". The scores from K3TUP and K3LR
>are very impressive. If it was 300 miles farther south, it would
>certainly be "east coast".
If they were 300 miles further south they would be in Western Tennessee or
Northwestern Georgia.... Take my word for it... We aren't Wisconsin, but
we are definately not the east coast!
>Basically, in my view, going south is more important than going east.
>This will become particularly apparent as the sunspots continue to
>decline.
If this were true....
K4XS and I should be destroying the guys in W1 in the DX contests. N5AU
should be winning all of the M/M's they enter. And, W3LPL should NEVER
lose to the likes of K1AR (EA), or N2RM. I would suggest that it is most
important to be east, and in terms of the midwest and west it is also
important to be south. W0AIH and K4VX would both benefit from being moved
either south or east. But, I don't think you would convince K1AR that
moving K1EA's station south would benefit them.
73'
Bill, KM9P
>From pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com Tue Dec 29 07:50:16 1992
From: pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com (pescatore_jt%ncsd.dnet at gte.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Packet and DXing skills - Tree's right, but ...
Message-ID: <9212291250.AA09534 at bunny.gte.com>
I don't think there is any doubt that Packetcluster has made DXCC and even
honor roll easier to achieve, and that a growing dependency on Packetcluster
has lead to a general degradation of DXing skills. There are a lot of us who
have more fun *making* putouts than chasing them, but there are even more who
just blankly gaze at the screen, salivate at the beep, QSY, tune, and call.
But the handheld calculator seriously degraded my math skills, as did the slide
rule before it, microwave ovens would have dragged down my cooking skills if I
had any, and transistorized finals have made my dipping and peaking talents
obsolete. And so it goes.
Technology marches on, but I am still an optimist. Cream always rises. Out of
the sloppy come the skilled, maintaining a fairly constant skill-to-slop ratio
over the ages. There are more lid DXers since Packetcluster, but there are also
a lot more DXers. As a contest club PVRC was on the edge of extinction until
N2FB and W3LPL put up a cluster node. Club membership has nearly doubled, and I
bet 90% of them were introduced to the club through the cluster. Many of them
may never break 1M points in a contest, but some will become top operators -
and the skill-to-slop ratio will be maintained. Unfortunately, YCCC and FRC
have higher ratios and are 6db ahead in total amplitude.
If you go back through old QSTs, NCJs, or DX newsletters, complaints about
degradation in skill are a close second to complaints about geographical
advantages. Pre-packet, pre-two meter spotting, pre-commercial tribanders,
pre-store bought amps, there were still a lot of lids doing stupid things in
pileups.
The difference these days is that what many of us have enjoyed over the years
as a solitary pursuit is becoming "groupware," due to ubiquitous (sp?)
communications links, such as Packetcluster, this net, voice mail, etc. Dayton,
and maybe Visalia for a few, used to the only way to trade contest stories and
whine about inequities. Now we can whine almost real time! Who'd of thought you
could come back to work on Monday after a DX test, and see an email note from
UZ0AXX detailing their score!!
The technology marches on but the same top guys still seem to manage to rise to
the top ten of most contests. The noise is rising, but the signals are getting
stronger too.
This soliloquy (sp??????) brought to you by the fact that there is absolutely
noone in the office today but me.
Happy New Year
John WB2EKK
PESCATORE_JT at NCSD.GTE.COM
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Tue Dec 29 10:45:03 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC's "east coast"
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1043801131.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
Says KM9P:
I may have worked 4 or 5 russian stations on 80 and none of them
were over S-9. [In Western PA]
If we ever hear an S-9 Russian station on 80 in Wisconsin, we'll let you
all know. It does sound a bit like you guys are arguing about whether
which model of Mercedes is better, while here in the mid-west we're
all driving 10 year old Toyotas. (Sorry, that's the best analogy
I could think of.) It's very common here to hear an East Coast station
with modest antennas running totally inaudible Europeans, on most
any band.
I think someone else pointed out a while back that the distance from
Denver to Boston is roughly the same as the distance from Boston
to London. Being further south makes it easier to work some other
paths, but it sure doesn't seem to make up for being further from Europe.
How often do you northern East Coast operators hear stations in Florida
working Europeans you can't hear?
73,
Scott K9MA
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Tue Dec 29 08:46:37 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: "East Coast"
In-Reply-To: <9212290335.AA10585 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
Message-ID: <725647597.348684.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> Look at how well the Texas gang can do into EU on 80 meters compared to
> stations like W0AIH, despite the distance "advantage" that AIH "enjoys".
Yes, but what comes around goes around. Being farther south gives you
higher MUF, but higher absorption as well. While the southern latitudes
are kicking butt on 10, the nothern latitudes are kicking butt on 20 and
so forth. It's a mixed bag. And considering that K7RI won the CQWW SSB
during the last solar max with a tribander, I wouldn't say that the
western stations are giving up *everything* *every time* with respect to
stations in the east. And considering winning CQWW CW scores in the single
op category by K9DX (Chicago, last cycle) and K3TUP (Cleveland, well almost,
this cycle), I don't think I consider the midwest to be totally uncompetitive.
I agree with KM9P, I'd select K1EA's station over K4XS's anytime for a contest.
Florida will win some of the time, but Harvard is better. On the other hand,
I think Florida would be more interesting for day-to-day hamming, but that's
not what we're talking about.
That it's different from every place is what makes contesting (and hamming in
general) intersting to me.
--Trey
>From V111QHEG at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Dec 29 12:22:01 1992
From: V111QHEG at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC's "east coast"
Message-ID: <01GSVYVEGF2K8WWF8L at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
You guys in 9, 0, and 5 land are lucky in the fact thay you get to work
Oceania without too much pain. We in NY are clobbered by the likes of K3TUP
and K1EA on 80 (ok, we who live in large cities who cant put up the 1000'
beverage and 100' tall inverted L) to Europe and rarely hear JA or VK on
80. I guess it all depends on where you look at it from, hi.
73,
Peter KB2NMV
>From price at cod.nosc.mil Tue Dec 29 09:25:36 1992
From: price at cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Glitch in Quicktrack?
Message-ID: <9212291725.AA04365 at cod.nosc.mil>
-------
I've using Quicktrack for satellite tracking for several years. I
printed out some RS-10 and RS-12 passes yesterday and noticed a
problem: the program has dropped 31 Dec 92, i.e. it goes from
30 Dec 92 to 01 Jan 93. Will this go away if I don't try to cross
year boundaries? I've never seen this before, but it's possible
I've never tried to go across year boundaries in a single session
before.
Strange--any ideas/help?
73--Jim, K6ZH
(Hope Santa was good to everyone)
-------
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Tue Dec 29 09:31:31 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC's "east coast"
In-Reply-To: <"RGJC-4760-2732/27"*/PN=ERIC.L.SCACE/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>
Message-ID: <725650291.272684.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> I almost never hear this happen except on 10m and 15m at the bottom of the
> sunspot cycle... But one often hears the PYs working Europe hours before
> EU signals are audible anywheres in the states. Maybe Steve N2IC wanted to
> be MUCH more south??? **chuckle**
Or much more east. Rio is two hours west of GMT during November. Boston
and Tampa are five.
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Tue Dec 29 12:52:36 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC's east coast
Message-ID: <921229175236_71662.17_CHJ81-1 at CompuServe.COM>
>You guys in 9, 0, and 5 land are lucky in the fact thay you get to work
>Oceania without too much pain.
>73,
>Peter KB2NMV
Hey W9's, 0's, and 5's have you ever felt lucky about how easy you could
work Oceania? Ya... me either! When I look at my CQWW .CON file and it
shows that .5% of my QSO's came from Oceania it just doesn't make me feel
too lucky!
73
>From p00259 at psilink.com Tue Dec 29 12:48:17 1992
From: p00259 at psilink.com (John Dorr K1AR)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: "East Coast"
Message-ID: <2934737164.2.p00259 at psilink.com>
My experience says that nothing beats W1...
Regarding my desire to move K1EA south--a minor shift south to Long
Island would certainly fit into my plans!?!
K1AR
>From steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu Tue Dec 29 13:57:04 1992
From: steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu (Steven London)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC "East Coast"
Message-ID: <9212292057.AA11233 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
I didn't mean to imply that all of the "east coast" had identical propagation.
Given a choice of QTH, I would take K1EA hands down. Although, KR0Y has
certainly proven my point about Texas being part of the "east coast" !
However, let's get real. You only worked 4 or 5 Russian stations on 80
meters. That's 3 or 4 more than the TOTAL number of 80 meter Russian stations
that this station has worked in all contests since moving to Colorado
in 1981. I may not have K0RF, or even W0ZV antennas, but they are
comparable to the typical east coast single-op who is in the top 20
nationally. Just to give you an idea of what it's like outside of the
east coast, here's what the K0KR multi-single (my station) worked for EU in
CQWW Phone: CT5P, TM2V, GW4BLE, G0KPW, DJ4AX, TM5C. That's it ! Never heard
GM0ECO this time ! Not even an IK2 in zone 15 ! Zone 16 or 20, you
gotta be kidding. This is very typical. The only time we do
any better is with a flux of 200 and an A index of 25, resulting in a
lower MUF. Compare that with any serious entry from anywhere in the
N2IC "east coast".
Now, don't try to say that we can make it up with JA's. Comparisons with
previous sunspot cycles are for the birds. Gone are the days
of W7RM working 2000+ JA's on 15 meters. Has any of the non-east coast
multi's worked much more than 1000 JA's on a single band this sunspot cycle
(since 1988). K7RI was living in the dream world of 1980 when he wrote
his recent article in CQ. Over the past 10 years, the number of EU hams
has skyrocketed, while the number of HF JA hams has plummeted.
Oceania --- As K3NA has pointed out, there are darn few hams there. Oh sure,
we sometimes work DU, VS6, YB on 80 meters, but that's a trivial number
of multipliers compared to the number of countries in EU (which is
continuing to grow !).
In 11 years of operating from Colorado, I have NEVER felt competitive in
CQWW. (Definition: Competitive - Having the possibility to be in the
USA top 10). In ARRL DX, there have been three contests: 1989 and 1991
CW, when 20 meters stayed open all night to EU, and 1987 Phone, when
disturbed condx kept the east coast from working EU on 15, but gave us
some JA on 15.
The only competitive, all band, psuedo-DX contest from out here is IARU in July.
80 meters is a joke for everyone and EU only has 5 or 6 multipliers.
Steve, N2IC/0
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Tue Dec 29 15:20:48 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Oceania
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1043801131.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
The bands are empty down under, all right. In ZL, 80 meters is so
empty every active ham can have his own private frequency. If
you want to talk to ZL3WM, you just call him on his frequency.
73,
Scott K9MA
>From Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM Tue Dec 29 15:45:28 1992
From: Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM (Steve Fraasch)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: East Coast
Message-ID: <199212291545284132 at gateway1.ATK.COM>
I'm sorry, I can't take it anymore. I'm turning off my E-mail. The hardships
of W4 compared to W1 ? Big scores from Chicago and Cleveland ??? The midwest
pipeline to Oceania is the great equalizer ? (Did some guy really say that?)
You're not even close to the black hole region. It start's somewhere around
Des Moines, Iowa.
You "east coasters" should fly up and contest at K0KX's/W0AIH station the next
time your in need of a severe flogging. You'll quit and fly home by late
Friday night. If you really enjoy abuse, set-up from VE4.
How many of you heard a W0 work 9K2DS on 75m ? Zippo.
You've got it made ! It's easy down south. I'm surprised the scores aren't
bigger. Zip cord out the window in Georgia is comparable to 4 square arrays
here. I lived down there; why bother with towers ?
I've seen the hot-shot east coast ops in action. They're not so hot up here,
hmmmm.
Don't get me wrong, I love living in MN. Ham radio's a hobby and I can't get
excited about trying to equalize everyone's contest score. Any inane effort
towards that end is petty minded. If you really want to win, then move to New
England. But, please stop complaining about the difficulty of working 80/160m
Eu from Atlanta or Pittsburgh. I'm not buying it.
Steve the "malcontent," K0SF
>From OOPDAVID at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Dec 29 21:17:47 1992
From: OOPDAVID at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (D.RODMAN)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: East Coast
Message-ID: <01GSWH5ESWKY8WWH7N at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
I can't stand it either. Gentlemen, for completeness sake, lets start
throwing in those tangible intangibles. Like, your local geographic
location. Few of us have had the pleasure of operating HF from a mountain
QTH or near the water: TALK ABOUT ADVANTAGES! It is extremely hard for me
to figure out how anyone can generalize so much about East Coast vs the
rest of the contest world without considering the real life advantage of
having those sticks on a hill or a hill over water (W6QHS). These factors
more than compensate for East Coast at times in my opinion. Living near
the coast, which is exactly what East Coast should mean can be worth
10dB over us land lubbers. The farther south you go, in general means
your propagation becomes less dependent on the local geomagnetic field.
Your conditions are likely to be far less variable than us up here
in the great white north. That is an undisputable fact. You may have
a longer path, which can be more difficult at times, but in general
you have more reliable communications. (When I operated in J6, I was
amazed how things came in when you least expected it: like JA at
1000 AM local time on 20 meters in February LOUDLY). If I had to pick
my QTH without any hesitation, I would be somewhere in the East, near
the Atlantic an on a small hill. The ground would not be rocky, and
I would need at least 500 ft above local terrain. You would then have
an outstanding station location for the EU stations on the low bands,
JA on the upper freqs and LP into the SW.
Oh, by the way, I have found out how painfully harsh these hilly locations
can be near water. The winds can be extremely harsh, and normal antennas
do not reliably hold up without pre-planning reinforcement. Bye.
73, Happy New Year
Dave KN2M
>From k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us Wed Dec 30 00:08:36 1992
From: k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us (k3lr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: CQWW VE2CSI Operation
Message-ID: <Pine.2.4.9212300028.A23103 at telerama.pgh.pa.us>
VE2CSI was multi multi in CQWW CW
160---148-5-7
80----990-15-56
40---1619-25-81
20---1173-30-85
15---1606-26-89
10---1408-26-85
total---6944-127-403 8,727,510 points
operators: WR3G,NI8L,K8NZ,VE2XY,VE2BQB
QSL for this operation ONLY to KQ8M at CBA
Antennas: ATB4 tribander at 24', 80 meter inverted vee at 25'
GAP160-20 vertical and GAP 80-10 vertical
Thanks to this group Zone 2 was easy on all 6 bands!
73, de K3LR
>From Dieter.Dippel at cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.de Tue Dec 29 07:36:30 1992
From: Dieter.Dippel at cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Dieter.Dippel at cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.de)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: pse add me again on the list
Message-ID: <921229083056761-RRZE2*Dieter.Dippel at cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>
Hi SysOp,
I don't know what's happend. But since 20 days no EMail did reach me
from the CQ-CONTEST-FORUM.
PSE add me again on the distribution-list.
DIPPEL at RRZE.CNVE.UNI-ERLANGEN.DBP.DE
73 de Dieter, DF4RD
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Dieter Dippel (DF4RD)
EMail (X.400): DIPPEL at RRZE.CNVE.UNI-ERLANGEN.DBP.DE
Packet Radio (AX.25): DF4RD at DB0BOX.DE.EU
DX-Cluster: DB0OVA-15 (c/o: Chris, DL5NAM, SysOp)
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>From gary.sutcliffe at mixcom.mixcom.com Wed Dec 30 08:40:26 1992
From: gary.sutcliffe at mixcom.mixcom.com (Gary Sutcliffe)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: East Coast
Message-ID: <9212300840.aa24008 at mixcom.mixcom.com>
KM9P writes:
> I would suggest that it is most
> important to be east, and in terms of the midwest and west it is also
> important to be south. W0AIH and K4VX would both benefit from being moved
> either south or east. But, I don't think you would convince K1AR that
> moving K1EA's station south would benefit them.
Its amazing how just a little change in location makes a big difference.
W0AIH has remarked that he often hears me working Europeans on the
higher bands before he hears them. I assure you that my antennas are
not even remotely in the same class as AIH's, but I am about 200 miles
south east of him.
I often complain of the guys down south doing the same thing to me. Of
course the "guys down south" are in the Chicago area, about 80 miles
from here.
73 - Gary
Happy New Year from the Black Hole
--
Gary Sutcliffe - W9XT Unified Microsystems (414) 644-9036
ppvvpp at MIXCOM.COM PO Box 133, Slinger WI 53086
>From syn at sibcom.glas.apc.org Wed Dec 30 12:11:37 1992
From: syn at sibcom.glas.apc.org (Syn)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: Packet and DXing skills - Tree's right, but ...
Message-ID: <2B41D849 at sibcom.glas.apc.org>
U> If you go back through old QSTs, NCJs, or DX newsletters, complaints about
U> degradation in skill are a close second to complaints about geographical
U> advantages. Pre-packet, pre-two meter spotting, pre-commercial tribanders,
U> pre-store bought amps, there were still a lot of lids doing stupid things
U> in pileups.
Hmmm.. Right!
U> time! Who'd of thought you could come back to work on Monday after a DX
U> test, and see an email note from UZ0AXX detailing their score!!
Unfortunately, we haven't time to participate :(
Next contest we will work is CQ WW 160. Then I'll tell and comment our score.
U> The technology marches on but the same top guys still seem to manage to
U> rise to the top ten of most contests. The noise is rising, but the signals
U> are getting stronger too.
Oh, guys, you can go back in 10 more years to remember pre-technology days in
hamradio. Just go here! No of any packet clusters, 2-m voice nets e.t.c.
48 hours non-stop cruising all bands in contest weekend is only way to win from
here. Let us ask Willy (uw9ar) about that topic ( guess he is still joined this
conference).
U> Happy New Year
U> John WB2EKK
Happy New Year to all of you, guys!
73 ! Victor (UA0APO/UZ0AXX mmbr)
--- GoldEd 2.40+
>From skitch at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL Wed Dec 30 13:26:14 1992
From: skitch at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (M. Squicciarini)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: DX Bulletin #93 December 28, 1992
Message-ID: <9212301826.AA08700 at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 092 (OPDX.092)
December 28, 1992
Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio
Online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 8/N/1
Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, DL1HBT & DXNL, DF4RD,
ARRL, KE2LJ, NT2X, K4CEF & Southeastern Cluster Group, WB3JFS, WB4IUX,
N5OK, IK5AAX, JH1FDP and AA7KE for the following DX information.
9F, ETHIOPIA. Rudi, DK7PE, is now active as 9F2CW, until December 31,
on 160-10 meters including the WARC bands. Activity will be mainly on
CW. Rudi suggests to listen on 160 and 80 meters during Ethiopia's
sunrise and sunset. QSL via DK7PE.
A7, QATAR. A71AL/SP5EXA has been sporadically active on 20 meter CW between
1700-1900z and on 40 meters CW between 2000-2200z. There have been a few
QSNs on 18 MHz around 1730z and 10 MHz around 2000 to 2100z. QSL to: Box
22101, Doha, Qatar.
AP, PAKISTAN. There was some activity by a few AP operators this week.
AP2JT was heard on 28480 kHz around 1451z. AP2AL has been quite active
around 14182 kHz beginning around 1145z. Also, AP2JZB has been heard on
21335 kHz at 1500z, 24954 kHz at 1330z and 28480 kHz at 1400z.
CZECHOSLAVAKIA. It is being reported in the news media that Czechoslovakia
will split into two separate political divisions effective January 1,
1993. The Czech Parliament has now held their last official meeting as a
unified body. There has been one problem that has developed. After a
written agreement that neither of the two new republics would use former
symbols of the old republic to represent themselves, one of the two has
adopted the flag of the old federation as its flag. The League has not
commented yet on the split or how it will affect the DXCC Countries
List. However an ARRL DX Bulletin stated the following: "SLOVAKIA. DL1FL
says after January 1, stations in Slovakia will use the prefix OM.
Stations in the Czech Republic will continue to use OK and OL."
JX, JAN MAYEN ISLAND. JX3EX "TJ" has been a regular visitor to the 14256
DX Net, and exemplifies the extreme measures that some DX operators
will go to, to provide us with DX contacts. The Jan Mayen main base
is located on the South side of the island which has bad propagation
to the USA. The main base has antennas for most bands, including a
full size 80 meter Delta Loop. There are 25 persons, including 6
females, at the station who provide meterological data to Greenland.
To provide the USA with good signals, they must walk or ski for
3 hours to the North side of the island. The north side has a site
with a generator and a 20 meter Delta Loop, in a temporary site. The
diesel fuel and radio equipment must be carried by the operators from
the south site to the north site, each trip. JX3EX "TJ", accompanied
by a co-worker "Molly", has been making this trek overland to provide
us with IOTA EU-22 and Jan Mayen Island. Qsl via LA5NM.
KC6, BELAU. Members of the Oklahoma DX Association, Jim (WV5S), Charlie
(W0RRY) and Coy (N5OK) will be returning to Belau and signing KC6SS,
KC6RR and KC6OK, respectively, from February 10-28. The DXpedition is
being sponsored by the Oklahoma Comm Center and Yaesu. They will be
active on CW, SSB and RTTY. Activity will be on 2-160 meters with
emphasis on the low bands, WARC, 6 meters and 2 meter EME. The main
operation will be from Koror, but an attempt will be made to activate
other islands. They will be active in the ARRL CW International DX
Contest as KC6OK. QSLs for this operation only go to P.O. Box 73, Owasso,
OK 74055.
P5, NORTH KOREA. Romeo and two other operators continue to be active
as P5RS7. It has been reported that Romeo was issued the license (by the
North Korean Military) only if he was assisted by a North Korean
operator. Romeo had the papers in hand when he talked to Vern, W8BLA,
on November 17. But when Romeo called Vern back on December 9, he was
still unable to get on the air and was taking care of the final details.
This operation is reported to be under heavy military surveillance.
The length of the operation (when first reported) would be 5 to 10 days,
which started December 18th, but there has been a rumor going around
that Romeo may stay until February. (REMEMBER: RUMORED) QSL via JA1HGY,
Nao Mashita, 8-2-4 Akasaka, Minato, Tokyo 107, Japan. DO NOT send your
cards to Ed, NT2X.
VR6, PITCAIRN ISLAND. Depending on their ship, Hiro (VK4CPU) and Nob
(WK3D), plan to be active beginning in early January sometime between
the 10th and 14th and operate thru March. Call signs to be used will be
VR6JJ for Nob and VR6BB for Hiro. Activity will be CW/SSB/RTTY/FM on
160-6 meters including the WARC bands. A beacon will be operational on
50.120 MHz. For updates on 6 meter activity listen to 28885 kHz. Hob
states if they cannot bring a generator with them, electricity on the
island will only be available for 2 hours in the morning and 4 hours in
the evening. QSL via JF2KOZ, Yuji Miura, Room 101 Main Haitsu,
7-3 Yanagigaoka, Tahara Atusumi-gun, Aichi 441-34, Japan.
AMTOR AND RTTY ACTIVITY.
ARQ - FR4FR 14074/1704z, KL7AJ 14076/0709z, XU6TQ 14079/1442z
RTTY - C9CTR 14090/1750z, EA6VS 14089/1118z, ES7JW 21081/1121z,
UW9CX 14087/1125z, VK9CB 14090/1727z,
KEEP THOSE BALLOTS COMING! Ballots for the Second Annual OPDX/NODXA DX
Survey can be found in OPDX.088. Ballots can be sent to the following
packet and online addresses listed below.
Excerpts and distribution of The OPDX Bulletin are granted as long as
OPDX/BARF80 receive credit. To contribute DX info, call BARF-80 BBS
online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 and leave a message with
the Sysop or send InterNet Mail to: aq474 at cleveland.freenet.edu or send
BitNet Mail to: aq474%cleveland.freenet at cunyvm or send PRODIGY Mail to:
DFJH48A or send a message via packet to KB8NW @ WA8BXN.OH.USA.NA
73 -- marty -- nr3z skitch at nadc.navy.mil
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Wed Dec 30 10:42:06 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: CQ-CONTEST administrative stuff
Message-ID: <725740926.211684.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
Happy holidays.
Sorry to bother with this, but as a lot of the folks here are new to the
Internet I thought I would recap how the CQ-CONTEST mail reflector works.
Mail sent to CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM comes into TGV, at which point it is
re-sent (reflected) back to each of the people who are "on the list" --
there are about 120 active now. Messages you wish to contribute to the
"contest forum" should be sent to this address.
Mail sent to CQ-CONTEST-REQUEST at TGV.COM comes into TGV, at which point
it is reflected only to me. All messages regarding list administration
(please add me to the list, please remove me from the list, etc) should
be sent to this address. Sending this type of mail to the forum-address
rather than the request-address is akin to calling a DX on his transmit
frequency when he is working split.
Similarly there are other Internet mailing lists of the fashion BLAH at SPAM.COM
and BLAH-REQUEST at SPAM.COM that follow the same convention.
Accidentally sending request mail to the forum-address is a common mistake,
so please double check before you launch your message that it's going to the
right place.
73.
--Trey, WN4KKN/6
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Wed Dec 30 11:02:45 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: N2IC "East Coast"
In-Reply-To: <9212292057.AA11233 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
Message-ID: <725742165.382684.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> Has any of the non-east coast multi's worked much more than 1000 JA's on a
> single band this sunspot cycle (since 1988).
I can't speak for those other folks, but as a single op I worked 1101 Japan
stations on 15 meters in the 1991 WPX SSB contest and 993 on 15 meters in
the 1992 event. The antenna was a six element yagi at 60 feet here in
Santa Cruz.
> The only competitive, all band, psuedo-DX contest from out here is IARU in July.
I feel I can compete effectively in WPX SSB from out here.
--Trey, WN4KKN/6
>From george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org Thu Dec 31 02:43:10 1992
From: george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org (george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <9212310300.S1457961 at austin.relay.ucm.org>
this is about two station antenna switching.
i was wondering if there is anyone out there that is using antenna switching
in their stations that allows them to have any antenna on either of their
rigs in a two rig setup. i am very intrested in how you do it.
you can either post on here or call me or leave me your phone number and
i will call you.
thanks
george fremin
512-416-0140
wb5vzl
george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org
>From k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us Thu Dec 31 14:42:51 1992
From: k3lr at telerama.pgh.pa.us (k3lr)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:31 2003
Subject: SWL Software
Message-ID: <Pine.2.4.9212311407.A1147 at telerama.pgh.pa.us>
I have a work application that needs computer control of the Icom
R-7000 receiver. Does anyone know of a software package that
will do this? I've passed up the ads for this type of stuff
until now! If you are using a package, I'd like to hear
your comments.
73,
Tim K3LR
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