NCJ Rebuttal
Tom Morrison
thm at rmc.liant.com
Thu Jan 20 14:04:49 EST 1994
Perhaps it is not obvious, but...pages in magazines cost money!
On the assumption that contest result detail is prepared on a
computer, ARRL could put detailed results on its BBS and it would be
available to anyone interested enough to pay the cost of a phone call
to download. Then, analyze to your heart's content... Betcha Trey
would love to have competing analyses, perhaps to fill a few (much
less costly) pages.
[CQ Committee: Are CQ detail listings similarly computer prepared?]
73, k5tm
----
Tom Morrison thm at rmc.liant.com
Liant Software Corporation
8911 Capital of Texas Highway North
Austin, TX 78759
(512) 343-1010 FAX 343-9487
>From barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner) Fri Jan 21 20:47:51 1994
From: barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner) (Barry Kutner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 20:47:51 GMT
Subject: Regional Competition
Message-ID: <gysigc2w165w at w2up.wells.com>
N2IC replies:
> Of course Maine presents "significantly different conditions" than Western PA
> However, based upon the recent scores of K3LR and K3TUP, those "different"
> conditions are not always negative.
Yes, there are always exceptions, and AI6V's score can also be mentioned.
> The dividing lines between regions have to be drawn somewhere.
> So, what do you suggest Barry ? Leave everything the way it is ?
Yes, Steve, leave it the way it is. Because however you draw lines,
someone isn't going to be happy.
> Clearly, the current system provides a disincentive to all-band efforts for
> those of us west of the eastern time zone. You bash on WA6OTU for his
> "self-serving" proposal. I suggest that leaving the results listing the way
> it is a self-serving to you, and the current east coast-dominated
> perennial top-10 competitors.
If you feel there is a disincentive to operate all-band, why do you
do it?
> It's too bad your letter-to-the-editor has nothing constructive to offer.
On the contrary Steve. My constructive comments are to leave it alone.
If you start picking on ARRL DX, you have to redo them all. I don't
need to bring up SS and regional preferences, do I?
73, Barry
Barry N. Kutner, W2UP Usenet/Internet: barry at w2up.wells.com
Newtown, PA Packet Radio: W2UP @ WB3JOE.#EPA.PA.USA.NA
Packet Cluster: W2UP >K2TW (FRC)
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>From Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson at csn.org Sat Jan 22 04:42:57 1994
From: Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson at csn.org (Walton L. Stinson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 21:42:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: regional recognition
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9401212157.C25217-8100000 at teal.csn.org>
if you have any suggestions about how the regions should be
configured, now is the time to make them. this proposal has
strong support on the cac and a recommendation for implementation
will be made. 73, walt, w0cp, arrl cac chairman
cac at arrl.org
>From aa2du at attmail.com (J P Kleinhaus ) Sat Jan 22 05:44:18 1994
From: aa2du at attmail.com (J P Kleinhaus ) (J P Kleinhaus )
Date: 22 Jan 94 05:44:18 GMT
Subject: regional recognition
Hi Walt, the kettle sure seems to be boiling on this one! My recommendation
is to have a National Top-10 and then a Top-5 box for the Central, Mountain,
and Pacific Time zones. Since the Top-10 is fully represented by the East-
ern Time Zone, I see no need for a separate break-down there.
Leave Single-op Assisted alone...Mark's suggestion about merging it with
Multi-Single has no merit whatsoever.
73 de J.P. AA2DU
ARRL Hudson Division CAC Rep.
aa2du at attmail.com
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) Fri Jan 21 23:57:41 1994
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) (Derek Wills)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:57:41 GMT
Subject: regional recognition
Message-ID: <9401220557.AA26375 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
The other thing one could do is measure the field strength from
someone like ON4UN at different places across the country and
divide the US into half a dozen areas with roughly equal field
strength and have everyone in each area compete with each other,
if it's a European contest. Use JA1NUT for the JA contest etc.
Is this silly enough?
Derek AA5BT oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu <-- for the mail-system-imparied
>From Randy A Thompson <K5ZD at world.std.com> Sat Jan 22 14:27:19 1994
From: Randy A Thompson <K5ZD at world.std.com> (Randy A Thompson)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 09:27:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: T2X brake
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9401220903.A19114-0100000 at world.std.com>
I had CATS put their brake wedge replacement in my Ham-M last time it
needed some work (about 5 years ago). It is supposed to be much heavier
duty and appears to be (no problems).
Just a data point.
Randy, K5ZD
On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Kutner wrote:
> The sticking brake in the T2X is an age old problem. It is mechanical
> and has nothing to do with the voltage drop from long runs.
> Last Dayton I spoke with the CATS people and they sell a replacement
> brake wedge that is supposed to cure the sticking and need to rock it
> free. I don't know anyone that has tried it. 73 Barry
>
> =======================================================================
> Barry N. Kutner, W2UP Usenet/Internet: barry at w2up.wells.com
> Newtown, PA Packet Radio: W2UP @ WB3JOE.#EPA.PA.USA.NA
> Packet Cluster: W2UP >K2TW (FRC)
> .......................................................................
>
>
>From barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner) Sat Jan 22 19:16:05 1994
From: barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner) (Barry Kutner)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 19:16:05 GMT
Subject: ARRL DX rule changes
Message-ID: <iDJkgc1w165w at w2up.wells.com>
Since the non-Northeast feels under-represented in the Top Ten boxes,
I would also like to point out that the non-48 hour contesters are
also under-represented in the boxes.
Has there EVER been a station that operated 24 hours in the Top Ten?
If not, then it isn't fair. A geographic handicap is no different
than a time handicap. Both are voluntary decisions made about where
and when to operate.
By instituting a 24 hour Top Ten box (regional or otherwise), more
contest activity will be stimulated by giving recognition to those
of us who like competing, but are not able to operate the full
contest period.
73 Barry, W2UP
Barry N. Kutner, W2UP Usenet/Internet: barry at w2up.wells.com
Newtown, PA Packet Radio: W2UP @ WB3JOE.#EPA.PA.USA.NA
Packet Cluster: W2UP >K2TW (FRC)
.......................................................................
>From Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon at unbc.edu> Sat Jan 22 22:38:37 1994
From: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon at unbc.edu> (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 14:38:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Scoring Inequities/ Flameage
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9401221437.A6482-0100000 at unbc.edu>
> When is this going to go away ?
Never. At VE7ZZZ we have the double handicap of being on the wrong coast
(almost), and being further north than nearly every other North American
contest station, with the resultant degredation is good propogation. Yet
we manage very respectable scores in the contests we enter.
The key to winning is good hardware and an attitude!
--lyndon VE7TCP/VE6BBM
>From rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) Sat Jan 22 23:01:30 1994
From: rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) (Ronald D. Klein)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 16:01:30 MST
Subject: LARC VP2E DXpedition '94 (fwd)
Message-ID: <9401222301.AA13033 at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us>
:flame-proof suit on
IN NEARLY 35 YEARS AS AN AMATEUR, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST ABSOLUTELY REVOLTING
ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
I for one will NEVER work such an expedition. It is inappropriate to
bring forth into the hobby either personal political views or other personal
preferences of such a disgusting nature.
I urge a full boycott of an expedition that violates such normal practices of
good taste as to flaunt what many of us consider to be
the deviant personal preferences of certain
individuals who have - unfortunately - chosen to inappropriately violate the
normal ethics that used to be associated with participation in the Amateur
Radio Service.
Ron - W0OSK
(Ask me off-line if I voted for Colorado's Amendment 2)
-----------------------------------
>
> FOR RELEASE 1 JANUARY 1994
>
> For more information contact: Jim Kelly, KK3K (215) 978-5272
>
>
> LARC Announces DXpedition to VP2E
>
> The Lambda Amateur Radio Club (LARC), an international club
> for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered hams, shortwave
> listeners and computer enthusiasts and their friends and
> supporters, will sponsor its third DXpedition in March 1994.
> LARC members are planning to operate on HF and OSCAR-13 Mode
> B and Mode S from the Caribbean island of Anguilla, British
> West Indies. The team of operators and equipment are planning
> to be on the air March 5-10, 1994.
>
..... details deleted
>
> The club has members in nine countries and local chapters
> around the United States. For membership information, write
> the Lambda Amateur Radio Club International Headquarters,
> P.O. Box 24810, Philadelphia, PA, USA, or call (215) 978-5272.
>
>
> Jim Kelly, Amateur Radio Licensee KK3K (jimkelly at astro.ocis.temple.edu)
> M.A. Candidate - Political Science - Temple University \
> President - Lambda Amateur Radio Club for Sexual Minorities \
> Standard Disclaimers Apply - LARC info: (215) 978 - LARC / \
> ****************************************************** / \
>From rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) Sat Jan 22 23:15:07 1994
From: rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) (Ronald D. Klein)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 16:15:07 MST
Subject: regional recognition (fwd)
Message-ID: <9401222315.AA27163 at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 21:42:57 -0700 (MST)
From: "Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson at csn.org>
Reply-To: "Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson at csn.org>
Subject: regional recognition
I think the suggested division by time zone boundaries is a good one. As long
as categories such as section/division are retained, and the time zone is an
added category, that will compensate for some states being split by time zone
boundaries.
Ron - W0OSK
---
if you have any suggestions about how the regions should be
configured, now is the time to make them. this proposal has
strong support on the cac and a recommendation for implementation
will be made. 73, walt, w0cp, arrl cac chairman
cac at arrl.org
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) Sat Jan 22 23:20:06 1994
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) (Derek Wills)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 17:20:06 CST
Subject: LARC VP2E DXpedition '94 (fwd)
Message-ID: <9401222320.AA20464 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
>>IN NEARLY 35 YEARS AS AN AMATEUR, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST
>>ABSOLUTELY REVOLTING ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
blah blah blah.... And make sure you never look at a Michelangelo painting,
old chap.
Take this stuff to rec.radio.amateur.policy, they just love it. NOW!!
If you want to get the contest reflector closed down for good, bleat
away.
Derek AA5BT oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu
>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> Sat Jan 22 23:23:23 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:23:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LARC VP2E DXpedition '94 (fwd)
Message-ID: <759281003.713193.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> :flame-proof suit on
>
> IN NEARLY 35 YEARS AS AN AMATEUR, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST ABSOLUTELY
> REVOLTING ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
>
> [blah blah blah]
>
> Ron - W0OSK
>
> > LARC Announces DXpedition to VP2E
> >
> > The Lambda Amateur Radio Club (LARC), an international club
> >
> > [blah blah blah some announcement that has nothing to do with
> > contests or contesting]
To pick up an announcement from someplace that has absolutely nothing
to do with contesting, then to copy a chunk of it onto the CQ-Contest
mailing list, then issue a giant flame about it, requires a jujitsu of
logic that I am not able to comprehend.
Hint: CQ-Contest is a place for score reports, expedition rumors, and
other contest-related discussion or announcements.
Hint: Although there is overlap between contesters and DXers, CQ-CONTEST
is not a DX-oriented group.
Hint: Eschew flamage.
Hint: Pick up a copy of the book _The Internet Companion_ by Tracy LaQuey,
Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-62224-6. Read it. Especially the section on
electronic mail ettiqute, where it says "think before you post."
--Trey, WN4KKN/6
>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> Sat Jan 22 23:24:58 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:24:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) list
Message-ID: <759281098.397193.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List
Revised: January 5, 1994
What is CQ-CONTEST?
CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM is an electronic mail reflector dedicated to hams
interested in all types of amateur radio contesting. This is a good
place for score reports, expedition rumors, and other contest-related
discussion or announcements. This forum is more like the NCJ than
QST; INFO-HAMS at UCSD.EDU and rec.radio.amateur.misc are good places to
look for a more rounded discussion of the hobby.
Although there is overlap between contesters and DXers, CQ-CONTEST is
not a DX-oriented group. DX at UNBC.EDU is an electronic mail mailing
list dedicated to the discussion of DXing. To "get on the list" for
the DXing discussion, send mail to DX-REQUEST at UNBC.EDU.
Each message you send to CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM will be sent out to all
the other subscribers, kinda like a 2-meter repeater that has a
coverage radius of 12,000 miles or so. Think of sending mail to the
list as the equivalent of an ANNOUNCE/FULL message on PacketCluster.
Use regular email to send a message to a specific individual.
Electronic mail is also different from packet radio, in that many
subscribers receive their email through commercial services such as
CompuServe and MCImail. In essence, many people are paying for each
byte of every message sent to CQ-CONTEST. In order to minimize
spurious messages, follow the operating hints detailed below.
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Subscription management is handled automatically by a program that
answers mail send to CQ-CONTEST-REQUEST at TGV.COM. Send a message to
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ignored. Messages sent to CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM are broadcast to *all*
readers, so don't send subscription requests there.
What are the suggested "operating practices" for CQ-CONTEST?
Put your name and call sign on every message you send. We don't all
know everyone by just a call or a nickname.
Use a subject line that indicates the true subject of your message.
Wait a while before answering someone's question. Six other people
have probably answered it already. Most answers should go directly
to the person who posed the question, rather than to the list.
Unlike PacketCluster, many people pay $$$ when they receive messages.
Some people pay per message, some per byte. Therefore, please take
this into consideration when writing a response. Would you pay $0.50
to read the message that you just wrote?
Eschew flamage. If someone sends a flame to the list and you can't
bite your tongue, send your flaming reply directly back to the flaming
individual, not back to the list. No one wants to pay $1.00 to read
these messages (the original flame + your reply). Treat flamers the
way you would 2-meter repeater jammers - ignore them.
Make sure there is something of value in each message you send to the
list. Avoid messages that are a complete reprint of someone else's
message, with nothing but "I agree" or "Me too" added to the bottom --
not much value there.
Some people pay by the byte, so when following up to someone else's
message, be sure to include only the essential pieces or thread of
the note. Don't include those 20 extra header lines that your mail
gateway tacked onto the original message.
How can I find out the email address of a particular contester?
John Pescatore, WB2EKK (pescatore_jt at ncsd.gte.com), and George Fremin,
WB5VZL (geoiii at wixer.bga.com), maintain fairly current lists of
contester email addresses. Send a note to them asking for their
lists. You can also get a list of registered CQ-Contest subscribers
by sending a message to CQ-Contest-Request at TGV.COM that says REVIEW.
How can I find out more about the Internet?
Pick up a copy of the book _The Internet Companion_ by Tracy LaQuey,
Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-62224-6. If your local technical book
store doesn't carry it, you can order from Computer Literacy,
2590 North First Street, San Jose, CA 95131. Their phone number is
408-435-0744.
73, The Wouff Hong
>From n4hy at ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) Sun Jan 23 01:46:28 1994
From: n4hy at ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) (Bob McGwier)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 20:46:28 EST
Subject: LARC VP2E DXpedition '94 (fwd)
Message-ID: <9401230146.AA14095 at ccr-p.ida.org>
I am with Derek. This reflector is meant for contest discussions, period.
If this becomes covered up with this crap, I will just turn it off.
Bob
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