bill.lumnitzer at bill.lumnitzer at
Fri Jun 17 12:10:07 EDT 1994

What techniques are being used to reduce interference between rigs in a
multi-operation?  I have used ICE transmit filters in the past but this has not
provided enough isolation.  Separate towers for each band is not an option that
I will consider.  Any ideas from you single tower multi guys?  I have
considered trying adding coax stubs at the tower and possible using remote
receiving antennas in the woods (trap vertical or wires).  What works?

73/Bill N6CQ/3 (n6cq at
Lewisberry, PA

>From Steve Harrison <sharriso at>  Fri Jun 17 16:13:14 1994
From: Steve Harrison <sharriso at> (Steve Harrison)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9406171114.D18890-0100000 at eagle>

On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Marko Myllymaki 450-4020x107 wrote:
> Something is wrong here.  I once emailed and also faxed (I think twice), to
> K1AR at CQ Mazazine about this issue, but I never got any reply.  John, are 
> You listening ?  Something should be done.  If I understand it correctly, CQ 
> is still sponsoring certificates and contests carry CQ's name.
While I have only qualified for two certificates for the CQ WW CW and 
have already received both (they were for 1991 and 1992, I believe, and 
both took about 12 months or so), I have followed this thread when it 
showed on the Megacluster. The interesting thing was that what happened 
was the results were published in the fall of 1993, and guys began grousing 
about not receiving any  awards  on the Megacluster. Then about a month 
later, certificates started arriving, and guys would post messages such as
"WW CW Certificate Received!" Soon, it seemed that all on the Megacluster 
had their just awards. I got mine about the same time; but the post office
had bent the envelope (CQ doesn't insert a piece of stiff cardboard within
the envelope to protect the certificate). I growled just a little bit about
that on the Megacluster, and a day later, I got a nice message from John Dorr,
K1AR, offering to replace the defaced certificate! He was also helpful in
another area that I won't go into here...

I wonder if the certificates are really mailed from the offices of CQ 
rather than from the guys who maintain the contests. Note that there are 
two signatures on your certificates: one is the guy who checks the logs 
(N6AR in the case of the CW WW) and the other is K3EST. I guess this 
means a pile of certificates get mailed between the two before mailing to 
us. But, I wonder why CQ cannot handle this certificate handling at the 
office, other than the fact it would increase their overhead and cut into 
profits? They would send a bunch of certificates to N6AR and K3EST for 
signing before or shortly after the contest who would mail them back 
before they get snowed over with logs. CQ holds the certificates until 
they get the official results to be published some months later. A group 
of hired hands then set to work filling in the details on the 
certificates, then get the dang thangs mailed; this should happen within 
several months after CQ gets the results from N6AR/K3EST.

So, how are they really handling the awards that takes so long? Inquiring 
(and steaming) minds want to know...

73, Steve KO0U/4 <sharrison at>

>From Steve Harrison <sharriso at>  Fri Jun 17 16:32:40 1994
From: Steve Harrison <sharriso at> (Steve Harrison)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:32:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Contest Certificates
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9406171140.E18890-0100000 at eagle>

On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, J.P. Kleinhaus wrote:

> is a good suggestion. If I thought it would make the process go
> faster, I would include the whole damn envelope, postage included.
That would increase the height of that pile of logs to at least 5 
feet..Steve KO0U/4

>From Morao Esteban <z801183a at>  Fri Jun 17 19:34:35 1994
From: Morao Esteban <z801183a at> (Morao Esteban)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: CONTEST!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9406171438.D8946-0100000 at>

Do you need to probe to 

Esteban J. Morao
z801183a at

>From H. Ward Silver" <hwardsil at  Fri Jun 17 20:11:01 1994
From: H. Ward Silver" <hwardsil at (H. Ward Silver)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lemon Launcher for FD
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9406171201.D3369-b100000 at bach>

All this FD stuff reminds me that last year for W7FR, we made a humongous
slingshot-like object, quickly dubbed the Lemon Launcher, that put
monofilament into the tops of 100'+ fir trees.

large metal funnel
two 6' pieces of 1/2" surgical tubing
100 yrds of 20# test monofilament
electrical tape
coat hanger (of course)

Ya put the surgical tubing pieces into the sides of the funnel, doubled up
for strength and to serve as handles.  The coat hanger goes through the
spout as the funnel holder.  Tie the mono onto a lemon by punching a hole
through it with a screwdriver.  Put the lemon in the funnel.  Have two of
your tallest ops hold the tubing as high as they can.  Your strongest op
pulls the funnel back with the coat hanger.  Let 'er rip!  If you use a
ladder to hold the surgical tubing, you can get even more stretch.

The lemons are used because they're cheap, they're bright yellow so you
can find them after launch, and if they get stuck in a tree, just pull on
the mono and it cuts right through 'em and you get the line back.

Plus, it gives you signal a clean, fresh scent!

Also, it's a lot of fun to try and hit the other operating positions after
the bands go dead and the 807s have been opened!

Ward N0AX

>From tim.ellam at (Tim Ellam)  Fri Jun 17 13:22:00 1994
From: tim.ellam at (Tim Ellam) (Tim Ellam)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 07:22:00 -0500
Subject: Certificates
Message-ID: <40121.1000.uupcb at>

Hey CQ is getting much better!. I can remember a 2-3 year lag time
before the certificates were received.

Last year I wrote to CQ about missing certificates and received a phone
call in response(from K1AR no less!) and the missing certificates were
received in a few weeks.


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>From JRUSSELL at LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA -- John Russell" <JR6205 at LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA  Fri Jun 17 22:42:40 1994
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <940617174240.20e01533 at LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>

please send me the times for tomorrows contest.
i think exchange is member # and grid......
john, ve3ll  in grid fn03

>From barry at (Barry Kutner)  Sat Jun 18 01:33:41 1994
From: barry at (Barry Kutner) (Barry Kutner)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 94 00:33:41 GMT
Subject: Apology to K3EST
Message-ID: <um93Nc1w165w at>

I received a few comments regarding my "terminology" describing K3EST. I 
guess I was a little strong, and apologize for that.

I do stand by my assertion that there is no excuse for ignoring a polite
inquiry with SASE regarding status of a missing certificate for a contest 
73 Barry

Barry N. Kutner, W2UP       Usenet/Internet: barry at
Newtown, PA                 Packet Radio: W2UP @ WB3JOE.#EPA.PA.USA.NA
                            Packet Cluster: W2UP >K2TW (FRC)

>From J.P. Kleinhaus" <aa2du at  Sat Jun 18 15:35:19 1994
From: J.P. Kleinhaus" <aa2du at (J.P. Kleinhaus)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Contest Certificates
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9406180753.A16594-0100000 at netcom11>

OK OK...sounds like it's time to make another pile, no??

Please note (yet another) NEW address!!
aa2du at

On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Steve Harrison wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, J.P. Kleinhaus wrote:
> > is a good suggestion. If I thought it would make the process go
> > faster, I would include the whole damn envelope, postage included.
> > 
> That would increase the height of that pile of logs to at least 5 
> feet..Steve KO0U/4

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>  Sat Jun 18 16:05:07 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 08:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list
Message-ID: <771951907.789341.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>

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QST; INFO-HAMS at UCSD.EDU and are good places to
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Although there is overlap between contesters and DXers, CQ-CONTEST is
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