ARRL contest scores online

Fri Apr 21 10:02:17 EDT 1995

> The only practical solution to this is a high claimed scores list of the
> top 20, 50, (pick a number) in each category.  This would make sure the
> top scores were received and correctly entered in the database.

My view is that if you are going to publish a list of entries so that we
can check if our log went astray in the post, it must be ALL entries. This
means leaving a reasonable length of time after the deadline (which is
usually a date by which the entries must be postmarked).

If I have spent a long time persuading a new contester to have a go in,
say, CQ WW and he puts in 20 hours and works a hundred countries, has a
lot of fun and sends in his log, he's going to look forward to seeing his
score in the results listing and comparing it with others in Europe. For
his log to go astray in the mail is going to be just as much of a downer
as one of the 20, 50, (pick a number) high claimed entries going missing.

Sorry I won't see you all at Dayton this year - hoping to be back in 96

Dave G4BUO

>From wrt at eskimo.com (Bill Turner  W7LZP)  Fri Apr 21 12:54:14 1995
From: wrt at eskimo.com (Bill Turner  W7LZP) (Bill Turner  W7LZP)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:54:14 +0000
Subject: AOL loses major points
Message-ID: <199504211155.AA06092 at mail.eskimo.com>

Boy, am I upset with America On Line. It's been ages since I had to buy any
floppies but now I might have to start.  They've been sending me free ones
every time I turn around but now they've really goofed up.  Used to be I'd
just delete everything, remove the label, stick on a new one and go.
Yesterday, however, one arrived with my BYTE magazine with a label that
WOULDN'T COME OFF!!  Treachery!!  How is a fellow supposed to submit his
contest logs and stuff like that???  Yes, yes, I could just slap a new label
on top of the old one, but how tacky!!  I'm used to running a high-class
operation here - none of that cheesy kind of stuff for me.  Well, I suppose
all good things must come to an end.  I'll just have to face up to it and do
what has to be done.....

Where does one buy floppies, anyway?  Anyone know how much they cost?   :-)

73, W7LZP
wrt at eskimo.com  (Bill Turner)

>From jeffrey (j.) wittich" <jwittich at bnr.ca  Fri Apr 21 13:01:00 1995
From: jeffrey (j.) wittich" <jwittich at bnr.ca (jeffrey (j.) wittich)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:01:00 -0400
Subject: Club meeting program
Message-ID: <"1526 Fri Apr 21 08:04:09 1995"@bnr.ca>

subject: Club meeting program

Hi guys.  I have been selected to make a presentation to the
Raleigh Amateur Radio Society in their June meeting on contesting.
This is primarily to be aimed at the non-contester, and is intended
to be a primer for field day.

Part of the presentation will be an actual demonstration on
contesting techniques.  We will have a fellow in front of the 
logging computer with the screen projected to the big screen, and
as he sits there running stations, from time to time he will
get one of those Qs we all dread.  The kind you spend 3 mins
on and never do get in the log.

This is a chance to help new contesters learn what to do and
what NOT to do in a contest.  Please Email me with the brief tale 
of your most difficult, or aggrivating Q.  If you have heard an
unusual technique that seemed to work well, tell me about that too.

This is your chance to exert your influence on the new chaps.

Email to jwittich at bnr.ca

thanks, 73.
Jeff
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>From Peter G. Smith" <n4zr at netcom.com  Fri Apr 21 13:16:56 1995
From: Peter G. Smith" <n4zr at netcom.com (Peter G. Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:16:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Podting contest results
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504210509.A231-0100000 at netcom20>

I concur.  Why not post them a short but predictable number of days 
before the final text goes to be printed, giving people at least the 
opportunity to say, "Hey, what happened to me?"  I'm very sensitive to 
the implications for make-up of the book (QST), but the sort of 
fine-print, one line in, one line out changes that would be involved 
don't seem like show-stoppers to me.

73, Pete                                       
N4ZR at netcom.com
"Better, faster,cheaper -- choose any two"
"No no no -- it's WEST Virginia"

On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, R.SCHREIBMAIER wrote:

> > I'm not sure I understand why the ARRL would post the scores the month 
> > "after" they come out in QST. Considering the number of complaints that have
> > arisen on the reflector, it would seem that this is pouring salt on wounds.
> > Clearly, the staff must have the results, months prior to the date they are
> > published in QST. If those results were posted, as preliminary, those people
> > who  complain about the loss of their entries might have an opportunity  to
> > ask prior to the article going to press. I haven't had a score of mine left
> > out of QST, but it seems that some have and this might resolve a consistent
> > sore point with some guys.
> > 
> > Maybe I don't understand the point of their posting the scores when they are
> > already public knowledge.
> 
> I agree that it would be great to check up on results before the
> official results come out in QST.  They don't seem to make a lot of
> mistakes, but some do occur.  It would be nice to have those rectified
> BEFORE QST comes out.  Once QST comes out, it's too late to make a
> correction -- even if they post it, nobody ever sees it!
> 
> Saying this as someone who once won his division, low power, ARRL DX
> phone, but nobody knows about it, since I was listed as high power in
> QST, plus no correction was ever printed.  Although, with much
> prodding, I was able to finally get the certificate.  Of course, the
> person who didn't earn it also has a certificate.
> 
> Just more whining from The Kid...  8^{)
> 
> 73,
> PH (last two only)
> 
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>From Rick Niswander <AONISWAN at ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>  Fri Apr 21 13:50:12 1995
From: Rick Niswander <AONISWAN at ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU> (Rick Niswander)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 08:50:12 EDT
Subject: Pre-publication checking

     If current production schedules are anything like what they were
when I did the contest writeups, there is virtually no time to allow
outsiders to look at the results to determine whether someone is missing.
If an outside review is deemed desirable, it may mean pushing the publication
date back a month.  We need to think about whether publishing a more
"accurate" writeup is worth pushing back the release of the results.
     Another idea which may deserve some merit is having the League and
CQ put a list of logs received on their BBS or Internet so anyone could
see whether their log made it ok.  Might be a good way to get a master list
to check against the final writeup.

                        Rick, K7GM
                        aoniswan at ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu