Jamming on 20M during WPX

[AB5YG at aol.com]

The S8 "Jamming" motor boat hash that was between 14.190 to about 14.210 this
past Sunday appeared to be coming from the NE (Europe?).

What did y'all up on the east coast hear? direction?

(Don't tell me Mississippi)

73 - Bill, AB5YG (ex K2MHJ) in Mississippi

>From w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths)  Thu Apr  4 10:23:15 1996
From: w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:23:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Power and dBs: Dr Bafoofnik, where are you?
Message-ID: <199604041023.CAA28254 at desiree.teleport.com>

>At 12:54 4/3/96 -0700, somebody wrote:
>>I know the good Doctor Bafoofnik can clear up this highly complex debate
>>about power and dB. Where are you Doc?

Somebody said "dB" came from "deciBell" but I suspect it really came from
"dr. Bafoofnik".  He used a lower case "d" since he is so modest and did not
want to call too much attention to the fact that he has a doctorate . . .

Stan  w7ni at teleport.com


>From w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths)  Thu Apr  4 11:39:22 1996
From: w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:39:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Third Parties
Message-ID: <199604041139.DAA09009 at desiree.teleport.com>

Ok, now that I have your attention, try this scenerio for fun:

W7NI is the Control Operator.  KA7UFG (my Tech Class wife) is sitting in the
chair and speaking over the mike during a contest.  She is passing contest
reports and the rig is transmitting in the Extra portion of the band.  She
is talking to stations (on my behalf, as the Control OP) in countries the
U.S. does not have third party agreements with.

It is clear that W7NI is the first party.  It is clear that the control op
of the stations we are working is the second party.  It is NOT clear that
KA7UFG is a third party.  I can't find any reference in Part 97 that
identifies her role.  I don't think that this will necessarily make her a
third party by default since I can't find anything in Part 97 that says
that.  So her role is undefined.

All of the messages being passed through the station in the form of contest
exchanges are on behalf of the control operator who is the first party and
not a third party so they are not third party traffic.

I guess what I am saying is that I cannot find a Part 97 rule that prohibits
an unlicensed person from passing a message on behalf of a first party to a
second party located in any country we are permitted to talk with regardless
of third party agreements.  For a third party agreement to have any meaning,
a third party has to be involved and a message has to be transmitted on
their behalf.  There is a third PERSON involved all right (KA7UFG), but no
messages are being sent on her behalf and I see no Part 97 rule that
identifies her as a "third party".

Even if she could be positively identified as a "third party", Part 97 says
a first party can't pass messages to a second party on behalf of a third
party.  What would be happening here is a third party would be passing a
message to a second party on behalf of the first party.  I can't find a rule
against that.

This is really not unlike Dan, KL7Y's, perspective on this issue.

I can't wait to see what comments THIS will bring!!  :-)

Stan  w7ni at teleport.com


>From Brian K. Short" <ke7gh at primenet.com  Thu Apr  4 12:51:26 1996
From: Brian K. Short" <ke7gh at primenet.com (Brian K. Short)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:51:26 +-100
Subject: 4-1000 Info Please?
Message-ID: <01BB2225.89C8E780 at ip003.phx.primenet.com>

An offer to purchase a beefy single 4-1000 amp has come my way.
With suitable power supply and cooling (which it allegedly has)
what is (roughly) the RTTY capability as well as SSB/CW?  I know
this is a rugged tube, but could someone with a bit more knowledge
set me straight on contest performance?  What about replacement
costs?  Any other comments?

(I don't wish to violate Part 97, just run RTTY conservatively)

73 de Brian


>From De Syam <syam at Glue.umd.edu>  Thu Apr  4 13:19:50 1996
From: De Syam <syam at Glue.umd.edu> (De Syam)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:19:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Jamming on 20M during WPX
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960404081529.21462A-100000 at cobol.eng.umd.edu>




On Thu, 4 Apr 1996 AB5YG at aol.com wrote:

> The S8 "Jamming" motor boat hash that was between 14.190 to about 14.210 this
> past Sunday appeared to be coming from the NE (Europe?).
> 
> What did y'all up on the east coast hear? direction?
> 
> (Don't tell me Mississippi)
> 
> 73 - Bill, AB5YG (ex K2MHJ) in Mississippi
> 
I heard this signal also and forgot to mention it in my account of the 
contest.  It was pinning the meter here and wiped out about 
40 KHz of the band for me.  It peaked from Europe at a time when the 
UA3's were strong, and my thought at the time was that, now that the 
Comnmunist Party seems poised to win the elections in Russia, the 
Woodpecker operators are gearing up their "new, improved" Woodpecker for 
a return to the bands.

                                    Very 73,

                                Fred Laun, K3ZO                              

>From Spike Lazar <slazar19 at sgi.net>  Thu Apr  4 13:45:16 1996
From: Spike Lazar <slazar19 at sgi.net> (Spike Lazar)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:45:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 4-1000A Loudest dB
Message-ID: <199604041345.IAA26776 at orion.bv.sgi.net>

Addendum: dB's and 4-1000A's

It is said amongst the knowing, all dB's are not created equal! The
4-1000A dB is vastly louder than any other dB. 

Your hubble savant,

dr. Bafoofnik                         


>From Tony Brock-Fisher <fisher at hp-and2.an.hp.com>  Thu Apr  4 13:39:33 1996
From: Tony Brock-Fisher <fisher at hp-and2.an.hp.com> (Tony Brock-Fisher)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:39:33 -0500
Subject: Jamming on 20M during WPX
Message-ID: <9604041339.AA04483 at hp-and2.an.hp.com>

I heard the jamming on 14.190 +/1 15 khz as well, from my QTH in Andover,
MA. I didn't bother to figure out the direction - I just figured it
was the horizontal output from my mother-in-law's TV!

-Tony, K1KP, fisher at hp-and2.an.hp.com

>From Walter Deemer <ac1o at gate.net>  Thu Apr  4 14:34:14 1996
From: Walter Deemer <ac1o at gate.net> (Walter Deemer)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:34:14 -0500
Subject: Third Party Traffic: AC1O Speaks Out
Message-ID: <199604041434.JAA23320 at osceola.gate.net>

May 18th.  Dayton.  Stouffer's.  It's late at night.  (VERY late at night.)
The FRC soiree is going full tilt.  Across the hall, so is the NCCC bash.  

Suddenly, down the hall, the Sultans' door is flung open.  "We just got two
more kegs", yells Scott, "and they're on CQ!"  A wild stampede down the
hallway follows.

Now THAT, gentlemen, is third party traffic.

73, Walt, AC1O   (on his third "delete" key of the month so far)