4-1000 Info Please?

W8JITom at aol.com W8JITom at aol.com
Fri Apr 5 13:28:10 EST 1996

Hi John
In a message dated 96-04-05 10:17:26 EST, you write:

> By paralleling two tubes this was reduced to
>approximately 52 ohms which made a nice match for the
>exciter.  But there is a penalty for eliminating this matching
>network.  The RF ground for the tubes is now returned through
>the exciter, making cable length and tuning of the exciter an issue.  
>The results are an increase in IMD and, sometimes, in unstable

Great point John! Most people don't understand that, and think SWR is the
only issue. The problem is, as you said, rooted in the long path for the
higher order harmonics. That can cause "rounding" of the switching transition
when the tube crosses into cutoff. The largest effect I noticed is efficiency
decreases greatly. The WORSE possible length of cable is a odd multiple of a
1/4 wl at the third harmonic of the desired band. To avoid that, the amp MUST
have a low pass type CLC or parallel LC network. High pass or low pass "T"
networks won't work!!!  

> It is a much better design to include a return path for 
>the cathode within the amplifier.  Doesn't take much of
>a network, either L or pi will do and the Q can be as low as
>2, so there should not be an issue of tuning the input.  Lower
>IMD will result, making for happier neighbors on the crowded
>bands during contests and it will be somewhat easier to drive
>the amplifier.

IMD results are a twenty page paper, but that is a good general rule. The
sure thing is efficiency will almost certainly suffer.

>----additional notes on grounded grid operation----
>The 4-1000 is a good tube in grounded grid but just doesn't
>have the gain of a tube designed for gg service. 

The gain of any GG amp is a function of the output impedance of the tube over
the driving impedance of the tube (simplified). The higher the driving
impedance the lower the gain. The 4-100 has over 100 ohms of driving

>But stability
>can be an issue on the higher HF bands due to the normal
>resonant frequency of the screen grid and its phase shift
>that results in a tendency for  positive feedback near the 
>bottom end of the FM broadcast band.  This can be reduced
>by adding a little inductance in the ground lead of the screen,
>thereby reducing its frequency a bit and producing a phase
>shift that tends to reduce the tendency for oscillation.  

That moves the self neutralizing and parasitic frequency lower. We have to be
careful since neutralizing and parasitics are complex subjects. The best
solution is a resonant suppressor system tuned to the FM band, where the tube
actually tries to oscillate.

By the way, I've yet to see an HF amplifier with high VHF or UHF parasitics
like ones a certain "guru" claims exist. The damaging stuff is all most
always between ten meters and the FM band. The closer to ten meters, the
harder the tube is to stabilize. 811's, 572's, and 3CX1200's are good

>Just grounding both the grid and screen in the 4-400, 4-1000
>series tubes resulted in the grid hogging the current and limiting
>the tubes capabilities.   A technique to provide better division 
>of current between the grid and screen in grounded grid is to
>tap the grid connection down on the filament choke.  This results
>in some RF being applied to the grid as well as the cathode and
>the tube will have a better balance between grid and screen

That's a bad scheme to use in the general case. The grid is no longer
grounded, and this adds positive feedback to the stage. It decreases
stability and increases IMD. The grid ALL should be grounded for RF in a GG
amp. The correct way to "balance" the currents without adding unwanted
feedback is by the addition of regulated dc supply voltage to the heavily
bypassed screen and grid elements.
73 Tom

>From aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR)  Fri Apr  5 17:31:38 1996
From: aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR) (Bill Coleman AA4LR)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:31:38 -0400
Subject: A 15m observation WPX SSB
Message-ID: <v01540b02ad8b05944bb2@[]>

>I played around a bit with the
>Iding portion of the running. Is it me or have US stations
>become even more impatient on the bands? I ID'ed after every QSO
>and never had someone ask me,"what's your call?".

If you did, I'd label that guy a goofball.

> I tried IDing
>every 2 qsos and was asked many times after my "QRZ", "what's
>your call?".

I think this goes back to my theory that pileups are a lot more dynamic
than people think, with listening stations coming and going very quickly.

But imagine what it is like if you are a station S & Ping (and trying to do
so as quickly as possible), and you run across:

DX: "... You are 59 08"
Station 1: "Thanks 59 03"
DX: "Thank you, QRZed?"

At this point, you have no idea what the DX might be, and you've already
heard him fail to ID after a contact. You've already sat through one
exchange, you might have to sit through 10 more. (this is because goofballs
at the OTHER end of the microphone that insist that they shouldn't ID
except every 10 minutes if they feel like it....) You really have no idea
how long it will take for the DX station to ID.

>  I remember being able to run 3 stations straight
>before IDing and never having someone ask me that question.This
>was back in the 80s.

Contesting has gotten a lot more intense since then. Computer logging has
really picked up the pace (not quite as much pencil and paper housekeeping
to do).

> I don't understand why a station cannot
>wait for at least one transmission to go by to see if a station
>will ID or not.

In my above example, he did. If you ID every Q, then a station never has to
sit through more than one exchange to get a DX callsign. (Unless they
miscopy it)

>Serious in the contest or not,asking that
>question without giving your own call is illegal and usually
>winds up interfering with another station who is calling.

I'm now aware of any FCC regulations that state that you cannot ask a
question without giving your call. The requirements state that the
identification must be given every 10 minutes and at the END of
communications. By my interpretation, staying on that frequency means that
communications hasn't ended. In fact, it is that SAME interpretation that
allows you, as DX on KP4, to only ID every other Q.

I'll agree with you that asking the question creates unnecessary QRM. (I
think we will disagree as to whose "fault" it is....)

> I
>suspect that the culprits are mostly serious contesters who
>don't want to waste precious seconds waiting for an op to
>identify on the second time around. Anyway, I ID'ed after each
>QSO 98% of the time which worked fine for me.

I think the intemperance is due to intolerance of really bad operaters
failing to ID after many, many QSOs (then arguing when they are asked to
identify -- sheesh).

I used to be a hard-liner about IDing after every Q. Now I take a more
relaxed attitude about it. 98% of the time is probably about right (49 IDs
in 50 Qs).

Your experiment tells me that ID to Q ratios close to 1 are a really good idea.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR      Mail: aa4lr at radio.org
Quote: "Not in a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901

>From Bruce (AA8U)" <aa8u at voyager.net  Fri Apr  5 18:51:58 1996
From: Bruce (AA8U)" <aa8u at voyager.net (Bruce (AA8U))
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:51:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Announcing HamVention Contest
Message-ID: <199604051851.NAA22471 at vixa.voyager.net>

>Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 18:47:16
>To: Spike Lazar <slazar19 at sgi.net>
>From: "Bruce (AA8U)" <aa8u at voyager.net>
>Subject: Re: Announcing HamVention Contest
>>        Info: For your pseudo checksum # contact AA8U. 
>I have found your posting at times humorous, but more often superfluous and
annoying. However, I stand by your right to post them regardless. I
interpret this latest posting as not so thinly veiled sarcasm. Like I said,
I have very good duck feathers. Guess this one will require their use.

>From mraz at rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com (Kris I. Mraz)  Fri Apr  5 19:10:15 1996
From: mraz at rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com (Kris I. Mraz) (Kris I. Mraz)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 13:10:15 CST
Subject: Tower Detuning
Message-ID: <9604051910.AA09055 at maverick.aud.alcatel.com>

Bruce, AA8U, said:

> Make sure you towers are detuned and suspend the 4sq on one of them.

Others have also mentioned tower detuning. I assume this means to make
the tower system (tower, guywires, yagis, etc) non-resident at some
selected frequency of interest (80m and/or 160m). Is there any science
to this or is it basically a cut and try proposition on a case by case basis?
What is the usual methodology? What detuning techniques are used?
Have there been any articles written addressing this subject?

Kris AA5UO
mraz at aud.alcatel.com

>From Larry Tyree <n6tr at akorn.net>  Fri Apr  5 19:28:15 1996
From: Larry Tyree <n6tr at akorn.net> (Larry Tyree)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:28:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: SprINT rules
Message-ID: <199604051928.OAA14601 at paris.akorn.net>


Contest period: 01:00:00Z to 03:00:00Z on Sunday April 28th UTC.  This
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>From Spike Lazar <slazar19 at sgi.net>  Fri Apr  5 19:32:26 1996
From: Spike Lazar <slazar19 at sgi.net> (Spike Lazar)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:32:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Announcing HamVention Contest
Message-ID: <199604051932.OAA00375 at orion.bv.sgi.net>

At 01:49 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>        Info: For your pseudo checksum # contact AA8U. 
>I have found your posting at times humorous, but more often superfluous and
>annoying. However, I stand by your right to post them regardless. I
>interpret this latest posting as not so thinly veiled sarcasm. Like I said,
>I have very good duck feathers. Guess this one will require their use.
Hello Ugly,

Please save your duck feathers, I assure you, the loss of one or two
little feathers over what Bafoofnik writes is not worth it.

Please do not waste too many brain cells on whether any sarcam was
directed your way, because at our age those cells won't regenerate!

I will be careful in the future on what I post. I certainly will
rectumfy any and all future postings!

dr. Bafoofnik

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