neighbor nixes test

Thu Mar 28 09:21:58 EST 1996

Sounds like this would be a good test of the ANC-4 ! Order one delivered
ASAP.
SSB-whots that ?

>From aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR)  Thu Mar 28 13:36:43 1996
From: aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR) (Bill Coleman AA4LR)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:36:43 -0400
Subject: SSTV'ers
Message-ID: <v01540b00ad804578722b@[206.28.194.40]>

>I hate to bring up a sore subject, but I happened to overhear
>a couple SSTV'ers in the midwest threatening to report any call
>heard in the contest on 14.230 Mhz.

Report a call to whom?

Last I looked, it was perfectly legal to operate CW and SSB on 14.230.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR      Mail: aa4lr at radio.org
Quote: "Not in a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901

>From Jumsai Janhom-HS1NIV/5 <aixxo004 at cmu.chiangmai.ac.th>  Fri Mar 29 04:46:09 1996
From: Jumsai Janhom-HS1NIV/5 <aixxo004 at cmu.chiangmai.ac.th> (Jumsai Janhom-HS1NIV/5)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:46:09 -0700 (GMT)
Subject: HS5AC WPX SSB 96
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960328213613.3056A-100000 at cmu>

 Fellow,

    Our clubstation of Chiangmai,Thailand's call is  HS5AC.It is our first
 contest after we're issued the licence in Jan.  We will join M/S Low.
 Four bands 40m,20m,15m,10m are permitted.Hope to work you all.QSL via buro
 Bye,73s
 Log around the clock!!
 packet: HS1NIV at N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM

>From n2ic at drmail.dr.att.com (LondonSM)  Thu Mar 28 15:02:52 1996
From: n2ic at drmail.dr.att.com (LondonSM) (LondonSM)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:02:52 -0700
Subject: OT6A M/M in WPX SSB 1996
References: <199603280937.KAA17033 at sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl>
Message-ID: <9603280802.ZM18228 at dr.att.com>

On Mar 28, 10:37am, Aurelio Bellussi wrote:
>
>
> Hello Contesters, DX'ers, WPX hunters,

> If someone wants to make a sked during the contest try sending
> a talk to pa3ezl or ot6a from your local cluster. We'll try getting and
> staying connected with some US DX-clusters.
>
>

Two comments ....

1) I hope you don't intend to connect to US packetclusters using internet for
the purpose of soliciting QSO's.  That is a clear violation of the "non-amateur
means" rule.  It's no different than picking up the telephone during the
contest and telling W4QRO to meet you on 1832 kHz.

2) What a marvelous way to make ficticious QSO's !  I can see it now ....

On the packetcluster:

W6QRO de W6XYZ:  talk ot6a meet me on 3754 now
OT6A de ON0XY: talk w6qro ok...see you there in 1 minute

On 3754:

W6QRO from Oscar Tango Six Alpha, You're 59 458
noise....qrm....crud....qrn..three...six....six...qrn.....crud.....
Roger, roger, 73 from OT6A

Back on the packetcluster:

OT6A de ON0XY: talk w6qro that was 366, right ?

You get the picture !

As long as we are on an ethics kick (again, thanks to G0JFX), we should examine
our own use of internet and packetcluster during contests !

73,
Steve, N2IC/0
n2ic at dr.att.com

>From Mike Bragassa, AA5NK: <aa5nk at contesting.com>" <bragassa at hal-pc.org  Thu Mar 28 15:40:01 1996
From: Mike Bragassa, AA5NK: <aa5nk at contesting.com>" <bragassa at hal-pc.org (Mike Bragassa, AA5NK: <aa5nk at contesting.com>)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:40:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Neighbor Nixes WPX Contest
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.91.960328093809.458A-100000 at hal-pc.org>

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, John Brosnahan wrote:

> 
> >I read the QST article...very timely. But my question is who do I contact
> >to prod the neighbor? 
> >
> 
> Contact "Big Louie" out of Chicago  aka "The QRN Terminator"
> 1-800-RUB-OUTS
> 
> 
> 
....And I know (of) some guys here in Moscow that do that kinda' stuff 
cheap..Just a bottle of 'wodka'!
73 de Mike  R3/AA5NK 

>From Hans Brakob <71111.260 at compuserve.com>  Thu Mar 28 15:44:30 1996
From: Hans Brakob <71111.260 at compuserve.com> (Hans Brakob)
Date: 28 Mar 96 10:44:30 EST
Subject: Power
Message-ID: <960328154430_71111.260_EHM137-1 at CompuServe.COM>

NI6T says:

>"So it goes, as Vonnegut said. You cannot really expect the contest 
>organizers to be the moral guardians of the world......"

Of course you are right, Garry, and I admit to acting like Don Quixote 
on this issue. 

Perhaps the participants, individually, can have an effect by not 
contributing to the rate meter of selected stations, or by appropriate
"soapbox" comments to the sponsors.

Or maybe I have far too much time on my hands, and should spend it
turning my two-holer into a six-holer.

73, de Hans, K0HB

>From wz1r at chowda.com (Charlie Morrison)  Wed Mar 27 21:22:28 1996
From: wz1r at chowda.com (Charlie Morrison) (Charlie Morrison)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:22:28 GMT
Subject: ThursPM dinn
Message-ID: <9603281000051176 at chowda.com>

Looking to meet with CONTESTERS tomorrow Thursday for dinner
within up to one hour from Chesterton,IN just outside Gary,IN.
I expect to leave Friday morning,so will have some time this
eveing,Thursday. Page me at 800-963-5139
WIZZER

>From cooper at gmpvt.com (Tom Cooper)  Thu Mar 28 16:06:45 1996
From: cooper at gmpvt.com (Tom Cooper) (Tom Cooper)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:06:45 -0500
Subject: Super QRO contesters.
Message-ID: <199603281606.LAA23311 at web.gmpvt.com>

VE6PV asked:
>WHY can these stations NOT turn their power down to at least legal
>limit? Is winning REALLY that important?

I don't think it is the winning that drives the needle to the right.
I think it is the addiction to the thrill of running stations, which is 
easier to satisfy with higher power.

Being a QRP guy, I don't have much personal experience with this thrill.
But, back when the sun was doing it's thing better, there were a few times 
when I got a dose of what makes rate junkies out of ordinary contesters. 
It felt like the same chemicals getting released into my bloodstream as I 
remember from the few times I've hit a tennis ball right.  Some of us can
get the same effect by working 50/hour search and pounce, or a clean sweep
with 5 watts out.  It just depends on how you're programmed.

Tom WA1GUV

>From aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR)  Thu Mar 28 15:18:57 1996
From: aa4lr at radio.org (Bill Coleman AA4LR) (Bill Coleman AA4LR)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:18:57 -0400
Subject: Super QRO contesters.
Message-ID: <v01540b09ad805c91e056@[206.28.194.40]>

>It seems lately there has been a few threads about the use of over legal
>limit power use on the major contests.

This crops up from time to time. There was a thread 6 months ago or so
about running GAS.

>Anyone that is going to dispute this had better get their head examined,
>because I have personally talked to some 'testers who admit to using as
>much as 5 KW. These are just the ones I have talked to.

What where those calls again? I didn't copy the first time.

I still wonder if this is more a PERCEIVED problem than an actual one. The
GAS thread tossed around some light accusations, but there were others who
categorically stated no excessive power was being used.

>Every contest is ladended with signals that park in one spot and seem to
>be the only ones heard from dawn to dusk during bad condx.

But they usually seem to work people.

>I have a modest setup, but certainly never run over legal limit. I don't
>even own an amplifier that is capable of HALF the leagl limit.

Me -- What's an amplifier?

>I had my fair share of some of the over-QRO guys. These are the guys
>that are S7 on 40M from Europe, and with a decent antenna and 600Watts I
>can't even touch them. I agree that these fellas have some hellacious
>antenna systems, but remember, you can't work us if you can't hear us.

I wonder if a lot of this is certain types of one-way propagation. I've
been told I was tremendously loud a lot of times, even when I've had a hard
time keeping a run going. And I only run barefoot. Propagation is just a
weird beast.

>My question is this:
>
>WHY can these stations NOT turn their power down to at least legal
>limit?

Why EVER go over the limit? *DO* these stations actually run excessive
power, in fact?

I don't have the answer, but I tend to believe that excessive power is
particularly uncommon, at least in the US, even amoung the contesting
elite.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR      Mail: aa4lr at radio.org
Quote: "Not in a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901

>From Pete Smith <n4zr at ix.netcom.com>  Thu Mar 28 16:22:53 1996
From: Pete Smith <n4zr at ix.netcom.com> (Pete Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:22:53 -0800
Subject: OT6A M/M in WPX SSB 1996
Message-ID: <199603281622.IAA29799 at dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>

At 08:02 AM 3/28/96 -0700, N2IC wrote:

(stuff deleted)
>As long as we are on an ethics kick (again, thanks to G0JFX), we should examine
>our own use of internet and packetcluster during contests !

Yup.  This has been bugging me for a long time.  How about this as a "straw
man" for discussion:

--      No use of non-amateur means by anyone during the contest period to
solicit or confirm QSOs, and no use of such means afterwards to fix broken
calls, confirm serial numbers, and so on;

--      No self-spotting on packet, or spotting by friends (see: 160 meter
contests);

--      And, of course, no use of packet by single ops anytime, for any purpose.

I'm NOT talking about enforceable rules here -- simply about reaching an
understanding of what is and isn't ethical contesting.

73,

Pete Smith N4ZR (n4zr at ix.netcom.com)

>From Bruce Lallathin <aa8u at voyager.net>  Thu Mar 28 16:41:35 1996
From: Bruce Lallathin <aa8u at voyager.net> (Bruce Lallathin)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:41:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Power
Message-ID: <199603281641.LAA01213 at vixa.voyager.net>

At 09:37 AM 3/28/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Bruce,
>
>The NCJ profile on W4QRO in the April '96 issue is indeed a spoof.  If you
check
>the CallBook, you will find that there is no W4QRO.  In fact, there is NO U.S
>amateur station licensed with a common "Q" signal as it's suffix.
>
>73 es cul,
>Charlie  KD5PJ/9	ocker at chasind.com
>
>
Thanks Charlie,
My respect for NCJ has been renewed! 
73,
Bruce

>From w6go at netcom.com (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)  Thu Mar 28 17:56:52 1996
From: w6go at netcom.com (Jay O'Brien - W6GO) (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:56:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT6A M/M in WPX SSB 1996
Message-ID: <199603281756.JAA24420 at netcom14.netcom.com>

> 2) What a marvelous way to make ficticious QSO's !  I can see it now ....
> 
> On the packetcluster:
> 
> W6QRO de W6XYZ:  talk ot6a meet me on 3754 now
> OT6A de ON0XY: talk w6qro ok...see you there in 1 minute
> 
> On 3754:
> 
> W6QRO from Oscar Tango Six Alpha, You're 59 458
> noise....qrm....crud....qrn..three...six....six...qrn.....crud.....
> Roger, roger, 73 from OT6A
> 
> Back on the packetcluster:
> 
> OT6A de ON0XY: talk w6qro that was 366, right ?
> 
> You get the picture !
> 
> As long as we are on an ethics kick (again, thanks to G0JFX), we should examine
> our own use of internet and packetcluster during contests !
> 

The "TALK" function is not enabled on the internet connect at KI3V that 
connects the W6 PacketCluster networks to the Internet.   The announce 
function is also not enabled.  Perhaps such a "QSO" as described above 
could be made disguised as comments in DX spots, but EVERYONE connected 
will see those comments.  I can't comment on the filtering used at the 
other clusters, but since the example used was a W6 qrp'er, I thought I 
would set the record straight.

73, Jay
    w6go at netcom.com

>From Gary Nieborsky <k7fr at ncw.net>  Thu Mar 28 18:07:24 1996
From: Gary Nieborsky <k7fr at ncw.net> (Gary Nieborsky)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:07:24 -0800
Subject: Super QRO contesters.
Message-ID: <199603281807.KAA09649 at bing.ncw.net>

At 05:07 PM 3/27/96 -0700, you wrote:

>focus has shifted from haveing fun to win win win at all costs.
>
Shawn,

It's the old "win or don't bother doing it" mentality promoted by any number
of media blitz's.  It is a shame that the fun factor is declining.

Observe the primary process that goes on here in the US.  Bob Dole spends
$37 million to secure his party's nomination.  The election rules say that
in the entire campaign process (primary and general election combined) he
can only spend $37 million.  How does he fund the rest of the campaign?
Loopholes in the law!  Win at any cost! Circumvent the rules! Cheat if
necessary!  This doesn't exactly set a high moral standard for the rest of
us to benchmark against (to avoid the FLAMES: Disclaimer - In other areas
Bill Clinton is no better).  Why should the Italian, French, Russian hams
subscribe to the rules?  What penalty is there?  When was the last time you
saw one of the big gun big offenders DQ'd?  The Contest Committees have
prima facie evidence in the submitted logs that this goes on. There is no
need for them to be moral overseer's when the logs prove the crime. Why
don't they DQ them?

Enough of this soapbox, the bubbles are obscuring the keyboard.

73 Gary K7FR