15 meter propagation

David Robbins k1ttt at berkshire.net
Wed Nov 13 22:37:35 EST 1996

Natan Huffman wrote:
> This morning whilst tuning around 15 meters at 1530z, I came across several
> stations calling CQ.  This in itself is a positive indication that
> propagation is not so bad, but what made it even more interesting is that
> several of the CQ'rs were from VK.  Answered one of the VK3 as had a nice
> long chat.  Seems that this was the first time he worked the East Coast as
> it was 3:00 AM local time for him.  We marveled at the path for a while and
> I finally moved on to answering other VKs calling CQ.
> I think this experience is noticeable in that an opening to VK at that time
> of the AM is extraordinary.  The path was definitely long path and per
> GeoClock, this path had a substantial part of it in darkness.  The signal
> peaked at the right place for long path and was uncopyable using any other
> beam heading except for direct long path.
> I wonder what propagation mode was involved here?  If you could count on
> working VK/ZL through Europe during the CQWW, that would change my strategy
> somewhat.  Unfortunately, I don't ever remember being answered by a VK
> during a 15 meter run into Europe.  Of course long path openings of this
> nature into VK are commonplace on 20, 40 and 80, but I don't think 15 meter
> propagation into this part of the world via longpath is so common.

if you try out my propagation program it quite clearly shows this
opening in the mornings even at this point in the sunspot cycle.  it
also shows the 3am longpath into asia when the flux is a bit higher.
with slightly higher flux levels a couple years ago we were frequently
called by vr6, vs6, and occasional vk, zl, and ja in the morning on 
15m.  we have heard reports from other pacific expeditions that this
opening is quite common, but that they have trouble working the u.s.
during it because the europeans are so much louder here stateside then
they are at that time.  but if your ears are good you can pull out
all sorts of good stuff on 15m (and with some more flux even on 10m)
during this morning opening.

David Robbins K1TTT (ex KY1H)
k1ttt at berkshire.net   or   robbins at berkshire.net

>From jholly at hposl02.cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback)  Wed Nov 13 23:11:38 1996
From: jholly at hposl02.cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback) (Jim Hollenback)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:11:38 -0800
Subject: FCC lied about Gate 2
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961113175207.23915C-100000 at paris.akorn.net>
Message-ID: <9611131511.ZM1762 at hpwsmjh1.cup.hp.com>

On Nov 13,  6:07pm, Bill Fisher KM9P wrote:
> Subject: FCC lied about Gate 2
> Well after much analysis of the calls given out in Gate 2 I can assure you
> the following happened:
> Applications via the WWW were in fact processed first.  Further, if you
> were the last person to submit your application via the WWW on that Monday
> you would have received whatever callsign you wanted.  I submitted my club
> application at 12:00am and a few seconds on that Monday.  I was the last
> electronic filer to receive a callsign based on the application numbers.
> I spoke with someone at the FCC today and was again told that all
> applications were dealt with randomly.
> Which means we are either getting lied to or the people handling the
> phones at the FCC don't really know what happened.  They are just being
> told what to say.
> Do I think the entire process should be done over again?  Nope.  I just
> want an explanation as to why they felt compelled to lie about the
> process.  I think I deserve it.

a. the folks on the phones probably are not the ones that ran the
   assignment program. They are just saying what they are told to
   say. What else can they say, since they probably don't really
   don't have any first hand knowledge? (read low level peon, not
   high level IT or other)

b. You expect the government NOT to lie? DOD lies, FBI lies, the
   ATF lies. Why wouldn't the FCC lie? Sorry, I can't believe
   everything I hear from a bureaucrat these days. If fact I would
   be more likely NOT to believe them.

73, Jim, WA6SDM

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