[Fwd: Re: Kenwood sales practices]
Dan Keefe
KS6Z at Sprynet.com
Wed Oct 2 10:02:37 EDT 1996
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:58:06 -0700
From: Dan Keefe <KS6Z at Sprynet.com>
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To: "Charles H. Harpole" <harpole at pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Kenwood sales practices
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Given the number of postings on this subject and the explosive nature of
the subject I would hope that Kenwood marketing people would find a way
to respond on this reflector without delay. This kind of activity can
do nothing but injure them if true.
If the comments are without merit Kenwood has an affirmative obligation
to put a definitive statement to that effect on this reflector ASAP.
Dan Keefe KS6Z
Charles H. Harpole wrote:
>
> Kenwood, if they do pursue wide sales of ham rigs to unlicensed, will ruin
> contesting (and, of course, also ham radio). It will also be dangerous
> for all HF and VHF range radio communications of all kind--air-to-ground,
> police, fire, other emergency comm., and non-freq. switching government
> communications. This is very explosive. Kenwood must be brought into the
> league of evolved companies (small as it is) by ham pressure. de K4VUD
>From w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) Wed Oct 2 19:19:26 1996
From: w7ni at teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: N6AA's note
Message-ID: <199610021819.LAA18000 at desiree.teleport.com>
>Dick - I'm confused. I've read many notes here on the reflector, and
>heard K3WW's presentation at Dayton showing that "single op
>distracted" scores are lower than single-op without packet, most of
>the time.
>
>So, how is using packet an unfair advantage? It SHOULD hurt the
>scores of the single op, shouldn't it?
>
>As has been said already, if someone's gonna cheat they're gonna
>cheat. Whether it is running power, or using packet. Or, having the
>host at a guest op station help with equipment problems, or even
>relieve the guest op for a little while here and there...
>
>Since a WRTC judge-style setup is not practical, the honor system is
>the only way to continue...
>73 Barry
>--
>Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: w2up at voicenet.com
>Newtown, PA FRC alternate: barry at w2up.wells.com
>
Hi Barry,
Isn't it just possible that the very best operators operate without the use
of packet and the advantage that packet offers isn't quite enough to
overcome the differences in operating skill, therefore, packet users STILL
usually have lower scores than single op unassisted types?
I believe this is truly the case and it would be very interesting, indeed,
if all the best single op unassisted stations could be convinced to use
packet once to see what the result would be. (I am sure the longterm result
would be a little different since it takes practice to use packet in a
contest, just as it takes practice to properly shoot fish in a barrel.) I
also believe that if you removed the disticnction of packet vs non-packet,
you would force all single ops to use packet, since I doubt that anyone
would deny that, all else being equal, you can achieve a higher score using
packet assitance than you can without it. I am quite sure the results would
show the same single op winners that you see now. The difference would be
that the guys who usually win the assisted category just wouldn't win
anything anymore.
Stan w7ni at teleport.com
>From cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) Wed Oct 2 20:58:33 1996
From: cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) (Chris E Penick)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:58:33 EST
Subject: IRC's
Message-ID: <19961002.145846.4455.0.cpenick at juno.com>
Does anyone have 20-25 IRC's I can buy? Pse send me a msg & let me know
the cost. Need to send some needed QSL's out direct. TKS!!
73, Chris N4YGY
cpenick at juno.com
>From floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) Wed Oct 2 19:59:59 1996
From: floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:59:59 -0300
Subject: CQWW RTTY 96 Scores II
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961002185959.193f29ac at interpath.com>
CQWW RTTY 1996
RAW SCORES
Compiled by
WA4ZXA
<floydjr at interpath.com>
Date Posted: 10/02/96
CLASS HRS SCORE QSO'S PTS QTH DX Z
_______________________________________________________________________
Single/OP/HP/UN/AB
S56A 1,585,639 1244 3067 402 105
TM7XX 979,506 1076 2619 85 219 70
SM3KOR 28 583,110 862 2046 52 173 60
OH2GI 25 455,535 575 1719 45 157 63
A92GD 234,669 453 1311 1 125 53
N1RCT 35 464,508 812 1518 125 127 54
KB4GID 30 321,051 570 1039 117 124 68
N9CKC 309,848 587 1006 134 116 58
W7LZP 255,960 555 948 126 91 53
WB5B 182,118 405 727 97 103 54
W7RSJ 143,715 430 715 93 69 39
W2UP 138,567 521 969 50 67 26
NA2M 83,569 237 433 70 78 45
N3KVF 79,692 205 458 60 74 40
W2JGR/0 68,376 270 407 75 54 39
AK0A 65,604 281 426 68 54 32
NB9C 37,346 158 263 65 47 30
N2HOS 36,322 137 254 53 55 35
VA3WRM 34,968 131 282 62 36 26
KI7RW/0 25,288 171 218 79 20 17
Single/OP/LP/UN/AB
YL8M (YL2KL> 863,583 1041 2419 52 230 75
EA3AII 203,320 378 920 44 129 48
UR5IBG 27 152,934 333 718 15 149 49
JE2UFF 146,835 272 753 29 107 59
G3YJQ 127,716 326 757 44 94 30
XE2DV 87,024 277 592 91 27 29
AA5AU 637,855 897 1537 160 172 83
WA4ZXA 44 467,852 641 1372 124 146 71
KE1FO 445,851 637 1323 115 153 69
VE6KRR 300,042 592 1266 116 75 46
KA2CYN 194,928 365 744 100 108 54
VO1HP 141,600 276 708 59 98 43
N1AFC (QRP) 99,302 246 574 57 79 37
KR4DA 93,070 230 454 73 81 51
VE1BZV 90,902 265 602 67 60 24
K0BX 74,448 228 396 77 67 44
K4FPF 73,530 182 430 45 87 39
KF2OG 72,240 218 430 58 72 38
N7UUJ 67,887 298 397 94 41 36
KI4MI 66,240 186 67 73 40
N3BDA 37,990 132 290 38 56 37
K0RC 6 37,845 190 261 84 34 27
AB5SE 9 14,345 116 151 95
Single/OP/A/AB
OH2LU 179,118 372 837 34 135 45
Single Band
10M
15M
US9AQ 9,620 86 185 0 36 16
20M
SM4DHF 43,656 172 408 22 61 24
K1IU 372,724 958 2167 51 90 31
40M
ZS6EZ 205,720 471 1390 45 75 28
W2UP 138,567 521 969 50 67 26
80M
Multi/Single
KG4GC 1,414,089 1500 3343 185 163 75
VE6RAJ 232,848 530 1078 120 59 37
VE5RI 226,302 516 1088 98 68 42
K8DO 203,280 390 880 68 109 54
Multi/Multi
************************************************************************
OPERATORS LIST
STAION OPERATORS
Multi/Single
VE5RI VE5CMA,VE5FF,VE5FN,VE5SWR,VE5WI,VE6EZ
VE6RAJ VE6PC,VE6NJK,VE6RAJ
KG4GC KG4GC,KG4QD,KG4AU
Multi/Multi
*********************************************************************
REMEMBER IF I ONLY GET SINGLE OP/ALL BAND YOU ARE GOING IN HIGH POWER!!!
I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT YOU RAN. JUST EMAIL ME DIRECT AND I WILL
CHANGE IT.
73's Jim
**********************************************************
* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Packet Node: >> N4ZC << *
* Internet Address: >> floydjr at interpath.com << *
**********************************************************
>From wfeidt at cpcug.org (Bill Feidt) Wed Oct 2 21:30:13 1996
From: wfeidt at cpcug.org (Bill Feidt) (Bill Feidt)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:30:13 -0400
Subject: N6YRU/V31DX Telnet Access to DX Packets Clusters List
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961002203013.00678abc at cpcug.org>
John Downing's Telnet Access to DX Packets Clusters list is now
available, in HTML table format, on the NG3K Amateur Radio
Contest/DX Web Page. The URL is:
http://cpcug.org/user/wfeidt/Misc/cluster.html
Best wishes,
Bill/NG3K
wfeidt at cpcug.org
>From cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) Wed Oct 2 22:06:03 1996
From: cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) (Chris E Penick)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:06:03 EST
Subject: IRC's Found!!
Message-ID: <19961002.160946.4455.4.cpenick at juno.com>
Tks all for the help, just bought the 25 I needed.
73, Chris N4YGY
>From cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) Wed Oct 2 22:09:37 1996
From: cpenick at juno.com (Chris E Penick) (Chris E Penick)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:09:37 EST
Subject: ForSale/Trade/Swap Reflectors?????
Message-ID: <19961002.160946.4455.5.cpenick at juno.com>
Anyone know of a reflector or site that has ham equipment for sale/trade
etc.??? Am looking for a few items for the shack. Any help is
appreciated.
73,
Chris N4YGY
>From PGENTRY at sbbs.net (PGENTRY) Wed Oct 2 21:37:28 1996
From: PGENTRY at sbbs.net (PGENTRY) (PGENTRY)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:37:28 -0500
Subject: CQ Contest station registry/KH6 info
Message-ID: <00002CAE.3115 at sbbs.net>
As some of you know, I have compiled a list of contesters/stations
willing to open their doors to new hams/contesters, letting them
operate various contests, teaching them the tricks of the trade.....
I have about 110 stations as of now, most of which are in the US. I'd
like to see more DX stations on the list. If you are not on the list
of available stations and would like to help out a newbie, drop me a
line and I will add you to the list that is published monthly in CQ
Contest. I just need your name/call, email address, QTH and phone
number if you want to include that, and what contests you are
available for.
Also, on a somewhat related note, I am probably going to be in Hawaii
during the time of ARRL DX SSB. Are there any KH6 hams who wouldn't
mind having a guest op for that weekend? I require very meger
accommodations and don't need a fancy station. If someone can help me
out, lead me in the right direction... any help would be appreciated.
PLEASE REPLY DIRECT, I am not logged on the reflector at this time.
Thanks,
Paul WX9E (not for much longer hopefully)
PGentry at sbbs.net (work address - days)
or
WX9E at aol.com (home address - nights)
>From nt5c at easy.com (John Warren) Wed Oct 2 22:15:22 1996
From: nt5c at easy.com (John Warren) (John Warren)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:15:22 -0500
Subject: SO vs. SOA
Message-ID: <1367849531-77079345 at BANJO.EASY.COM>
Logically, you might expect SO to have more QSOs (they don't get distracted
from runs by potential goodies elsewhere), and conversely SOA to have
better multipliers. If the quality of the operators in both classes were
the same, it would be interesting to see if that worked out to be true
across a reasonable spectrum of locations.
But then, since typical contest scoring gives too much weight to QSO runs
(brute force, QTH advantage) and too little to multipliers (skill,
knowledge), SO would still come out ahead anyway.
(Asbestos suit on).
John, NT5C.
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