[CQ-Contest] Penalties, cheating, unfair advantages, ad nauseating.....

[Bob, N5RP]

At 12:08 9/8/00, Tony Rogozinski wrote:
>Virtually the only email postings I've seen on this reflector for the 
>past
>few weeks concern the above issues and frankly to me it's getting a
>bit old.
<snip>
>Hey, this is a hobby not a life/death situation - quit your bitchin',
>get on the air and do the best you can.
===========================>
Sounds to me like the best advice I've seen all week with regards to 
the importance of winning these contests, which, to my mind, are 
beginning to look more and more idiotic each year.

Get a Life out there, whiners !
Just ham it up as best you can, using the best of your Buck Rogers 
radio setup that you can, and enjoy yourself !
Who cares who wins ? Not me, even if I were to win !

Bob Perring
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>From Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at dialup.mplik.ru  Fri Sep  8 21:19:21 2000
From: Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at dialup.mplik.ru (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:19:21 +0600
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Catching assisted unassisteds
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Hello Zoli and all,
This technique will not help against those with the local spotting network
which is much more efficient then global cluster. Besides when the algorithm
is known the offender can implement different technique working mult 15 min
after it appears on the cluster.
I would let those cheaters carry on if their pleasure is in beating someone
without cluster by cheating with the cluster. There is no fame and self
respect and in the long run they loose more then they win...

73,
Igor, UA9CDC

> What I exactly said is that a correlation scheme should be set up between
> cluster spot timestamps and mult times - it is not so difficult using
> computers. I agree that one occasion is not enough - but if someone works
> 60% of spotted mults less than 5 minutes after a cluster spot and 30%
within
> 8 minutes of a cluster spot we can talk about correlation, can't we ?
>
> Of course, the above figures and limits are just fictuous but something
> similar could be set up using some basic statistical analysis forms.
Please,
> look at the following example:
>
> I just took a sample of my WAE CW log using the saved spots from the
> cluster: I worked 10 or 11 mults on packet callouts. In these cases I
worked
> the the 9 mults (81%) within 5 minutes and 2 mults less than 8 minutes
after
> their appearance in packet. All the other 48 off-run frequency mults were
> outside of -0/+10 minutes timeframe. Here the time difference distrbution
> shows a very sharp peak at +6 minutes.
>
> A possible flow of checking could be:
>
> 1, Was the mult reported in the cluster X minutes (let's say 15 minutes)
> before the QSO ? If no - take the next mult. If yes, calculate time
> difference between the time of spot and the time of the QSO.
>
> 2, At the end you will see the time distribution of the mults reported in
> the cluster.
>
> 3, If the distribution is near uniform or shows a slight peak long after
the
> report - the op presumably found the mult himself or in the second case,
> found the crowd gathered on the cluster spot. If the distribution is shows
a
> distinctive peak - the op presumably jumps on cluster spots.
>
> 73 de Zoli HA1AG
>
>
>
>
> > Hello Zoli,
> >
> > Wednesday, September 06, 2000, 6:55:47 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > ZPH> If you see that an unassisted runs over 100 per hour and works the
> > ZPH> new mults within 5 minutes they show up in the cluster, you can be
> sure that
> > ZPH> unassisted station is actually assisted.
> >
> > That is not enough.
> >
> > When I change bands and go searching I usually start at one end of the
> > band and move up or down and I believe I'm not the only one cause I
> > often hear stations doing the same, in fact sometimes I found myself
> > following the same S&P station for the whole band.
> >
> > Many stations have the automatic spotting feature on, and if I was
> > patterning on such a spotting machine it would seem that I was simply
> > using the cluster facility.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > I will not trade pants with others.
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Ciao.
> >           Steve, IK4WMH
>
>
>
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