[CQ-Contest] Re: Realtime Scoring Site

[Kenneth E. Harker]

On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:11:46AM -0800, Leigh S. Jones wrote:
> 
> We'd all be pleased to see the invention of new ways to improve
> the "spectator sports" aspects of our beloved hobby, but this is
> not the top priority.  The top priority is making the competitive
> field fair and fun.  I'd enjoy, for instance, seeing a "news event"
> simulcast of the CQWW showing sounds and faces of the
> operators in action.
> 
> At the same time I realize that the introduction of anything that
> would unsettle the competitive balance and result in an unfair
> competition would damage contesting beyond belief.

And for whatever it's worth, contesting is not the sole sport in this 
predicament.  Orienteering is a serious competitive sport that almost
by definition precludes the "spectator."  This is one of the main 
reasons orienteering is not yet an Olympic competition - it's basically
impossible to watch it on TV.


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K0LUZ" <k0luz at topsusa.com>
> To: "cq contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Re: Realtime Scoring Site
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > My thoughts interspersed among the comments
> >
> > 73
> > Red
> > K0LUZ
> >
> > >
> > > >One problem is that giving away your score in real time helps
> > > >others to overtake you, if needed, or helps others to stay ahead
> > > >of you if already ahead.
> > >
> > > Good point - didn't think of that.  I guess I was mostly thinking
> > > about it in terms of attracting others to the sport/hobby.
> >
> > It would be very interesting and add another element to the
> participants of
> > the contest.  Why does everything have to be so "secret"?  Going
> back to
> > NASCAR,  do they make the cars invisible so that they can "protect"
> their
> > information?
> >
> > >
> > > >In the last minutes of the contest you could make a decision
> whether to
> > > >make a band change or stay put, etc., based on the knowledge
> > > >that you needed a given level of performance to win.
> > >
> > > And this is placing more importance on the amount of technology
> > > available to the operator,  and less on her knowledge of
> propagation
> > > and skill.  Another good point.
> >
> > It's another advance in technology and if that's a problem... Ban
> the
> > computer,  ban memory keys or dvp's,  ban SO2R,  and antennas above
> 35' in
> > height!  You can't stop progress Brother....
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Drawing a parallel with auto racing, under the present system,
> without
> > > >realtime scoring information, each entrant competes on a
> > > >different racetrack with no view of his competitors position
> > > >relative to his own.
> > >
> > > This was the exact analogy I was making in my mind when I
> > > was thinking about this idea.  More exciting for the spectators,
> > > but the race team *must* have this information available to them
> > > at all times in order to remain competitive.  Did that guy take 2
> tires
> > > or 4?  Did he take 2 hours off time or 4?  Guess that's why all
> > > the race teams have small tv dishes in their pits.
> >
> > I believe it would add another very interesting element to the fray.
> In
> > fact,  you might even get some "others" because they can set up real
> live
> > competitions with a group.  Some of the real techie groups might see
> this as
> > a neat thing to do with the computer.  Let's go after those gamers!
> >
> > >
> > > And certainly another catagory (SO/REALTIME/ASSISTED) [ugh]
> > > wouldn't help, as the info is freely available to everyone.  I
> should've
> > > thought this out a lil more,  perhaps left it in my outbox until
> the
> > > caffeine wore off.  Gotta admit though,  it would be pretty cool.
> >
> > This is different because the participant is the one who decides if
> they
> > want to be part of real time.  Assisted is not in the control of the
> > participant,  but the spotter.  So it could be another category, but
> why?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Rich, KA8OKH
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------
> > > Rich Dailey, KA8OKH - Phyllis Dailey, KB4NPI
> > > <http://home1.gte.net/web22jfw/>
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> > >
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