Fw: Re: [CQ-Contest] eQSL change of policy
Rex Maner
k7qq at netzero.net
Sat Apr 6 06:47:34 EST 2002
Hey Bob U can do like I do Archieve them then U have too many per band file
to even look at them
QUACK
----- Original Message -----
From: <bob.wruble at verizon.net>
To: "Rex Maner" <k7qq at netzero.net>; "CQ-CONTEST" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 17:25
Subject: Re: Re: [CQ-Contest] eQSL change of policy
> forcing u to upload all of ur logs is a stupid move in my opinion
> becuz that sends a endless stream of eqsls to stations that
> have no interest in getting them .... like me!
> why do i need 20 qsls from k7qq each contest season??
> or from other domestic contest stns??
>
> i have not uploaded any of my annual 30k plus contest
> qsos to eqsl for this very reason ....... i saw eqsl as a great tool to
> respond to the constant drone of incoming qsl requests
> that follow/plague contesters ........
>
> i want to support the paper chasers in the hobby in exchage for their
wking
> me in the contests ......... but now it looks like this
> can't be done without uploading the logs?
>
> lifes a bitch and then u die!
>
> de w7gg/ai7b/ww7or
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Maner" <k7qq at netzero.net>
> To: "CQ-CONTEST" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 PM
> Subject: Fw: Re: [CQ-Contest] eQSL change of policy
>
>
> > Quacks
> > I find that in most cases where I have one that isn't correct its is
> simply
> > a bad time or band in the Log that I uploaded or his log. When U reject
> > just put in the time shown in Ur log and if he wants the card he can
> obtain
> > it that way. I don't even look at the ards that come thru. I respond
> when
> > I get SASE /$ I have 5 years of cards at the buro that I may get some
> day.
> > I load logs to e-QSL right after a contest so I don't have to confirm
> them.
> > The recient chang at e-QSL makes for a bigger job but no BFD. I still
am
> > tring to work WAS.
> >
> > Quack
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ted demopoulos" <kr1g at hotmail.com>
> > To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 03:10
> > Subject: Fwd: Re: [CQ-Contest] eQSL change of policy
> >
> >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > You are not quite right, although close. If the times are off or
> something
> > > else is wrong (and you probably won't know what, just that you worked
> > > P5/KR1G on 160 and the logs have been submitted and you don't have
> > credit),
> > > you would de *exactly* what you do today - send P5/KR1G's QSL manager,
> > > KC1XX, a note saying "man I know I'm in the log can you double check
> > > please?" And Matt may find a problem, like your call K1IR was logged
> > > correctly on the cheap one-ply toilet paper KR1G used for logging
> because
> > > his laptop ran erratically on P5 power but copied into the computer
log
> > > incorrectly.
> > >
> > > As far as being too strict, blame me!! The biggest strength and reason
> for
> > > the prestige of the DXCC program is its security - yes, you can scam
it.
> > > Print your own DL, and G and EA6 and PYOF cards and submit them and
> > they'll
> > > probably pass. Try that with a P5 or VU7 card and it gets *much*
harder.
> > > They do catch cheaters quite often I'm told. Any eQSL system MUST be
at
> > > least as secure! If its too secure and a too much of a hassle (the two
> go
> > > hand in hand), it can be loosened later. We did consider possible (in
> some
> > > cases probable) attacks and some of the "features" are designed
> especially
> > > for them. Yes, I am Paranoid - its my job :)
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Ted KR1G
> > >
> > > >From: Jim Idelson <k1ir at designet.com>
> > > >To: CQ-Contest Post <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] eQSL change of policy
> > > >Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:37:06 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Personally, I think the new ARRL Logbook of the World policy of what
we
> > can
> > > >call "double-blind confirmation" is unnecessarily strict. What's the
> > point?
> > > >If
> > > >you and I want to create a fictitious QSO, we can do it easily. We
> submit
> > > >the
> > > >information from both ends, and it is a QSO. Serious DX stations
review
> > > >their
> > > >logs to ensure QSOs are good. But, if I'm mobile and I work a good
one,
> > but
> > > >I
> > > >don't log it, I'm not going to get the confirmation. And, if our
clocks
> > are
> > > >off
> > > >by too much - no QSO. If we make an error in filling out the on-line
> > QSL -
> > > >no
> > > >QSO - and no way to track it.
> > > >
> > > >What do the DXCC Rules say?
> > > >
> > > >"2. Written Proof: Except in cases where the rules of Section IV
apply,
> > > >written
> > > >proof (e.g. QSL cards) of two-way communication (contacts) must be
> > > >submitted
> > > >directly to ARRL Headquarters for all DXCC credits claimed . . . .
> Staff
> > > >may
> > > >accept electronic confirmations when procedures to do so are
adopted."
> > > >
> > > >and,
> > > >
> > > >"4. Confirmation data for two-way communications must include the
call
> > > >signs of
> > > >both stations, the Entity name as shown in the DXCC List, mode, and
> date,
> > > >time
> > > >and band."
> > > >
> > > >For about 65 years, confirmation in written form from the DX
station -
> > > >solicited or unsolicited - has been the benchmark. This new
> double-blind
> > > >confirmation requirement definitely raises the bar for electronic
> QSLing.
> > > >
> > > >It's always a pleasure to get unsolicited QSLs. It would be a
pleasure
> to
> > > >get
> > > >them electronically, too. The beauty of a cool QSL design - whether
> > printed
> > > >or
> > > >electronic is a welcome surprise - even if it is not a needed
country.
> > > >
> > > >Don't be fooled. This new QSL policy is really a major change in ARRL
> > DXCC
> > > >policy. It is now being forced on eQSL in exchange for possible DXCC
> > > >accreditation - and it is a giant step in the wrong direction.
> > > >
> > > >73,
> > > >
> > > >Jim Idelson K1IR
> > > >email k1ir at designet.com
> > > >web http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> > > >
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