[CQ-Contest] Re: CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 11, Issue 58
Jack Schuster
w1wef at intergate.com
Sat Nov 22 14:26:50 EST 2003
DINS fronm Radio Shack. If memory serves me right, the wierd one ion Yaesues
can be bought from RS and you cut the center pin out that's not used...damn
wish my memory was better but I know there was a way to make a Rad Shack
fit. They also used to have what you need for Kenwood. GL JACK
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> 1. several contesting questions (Larry Schimelpfenig)
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> 3. Re: contest station primer (Tom Osborne)
> 4. Re: SS Question (Leigh S. Jones)
> 5. Re: SS Question (Kelly Taylor)
> 6. Fw: [CQ-Contest] several contesting questions (Rex Maner)
> 7. Need a supplier I can count on to ship on Monday (Jim White, K4OJ)
> 8. Re: contest station primer (Grillo's)
> 9. Re: SS Question (Grillo's)
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> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:26:02 -0500
> From: "Larry Schimelpfenig" <k7sv at adelphia.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] several contesting questions
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> I don't think one can say that any specific rig is not a contesting radio.
> Some are much better than others and for my money the most critical
element
> is a decent receiver.
>
> In the most recent edition of the National Contesting Journal George K5KG
> did an article comparing the IC746PRO vs the IC756PROII. He said that when
> it comes to the basic receive and transmit capabilities of the two radios,
> they are essentially equal in terms of functionality and performance. I
> happen to use one of the original IC746 (not pro) radios for contesting
from
> home. I'm going to guess that the receiver in the PRO is better than that
in
> the original 746. The front end of the 746 tends to cave in when operated
in
> a band full of loud signals, especially on the lower bands. Aside from
that
> the radio has a lot of features that are very beneficial to me in
> contesting.
>
> In my opinion, you're fortunate to be getting into contesting with the
very
> competitive radio you currently have.
>
> Doug's comment about putting your money in the antennas are right on the
> money.
>
> If you review the contest reflector archives, you will see one theme
> repeated over and over. That is that a skilled operator at a modest
station
> will frequently outgun a less skilled operator at a super station. The key
> is to get in the contests and develop those skills.
>
> I hope you get as much pleasure out of conesting as I have over the past
40
> years.
>
> 73 de Larry K7SV
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:34:20 EST
> From: Cqtestk4xs at aol.com
> To: CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
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> Let me throw my two cents in. Since I am the high claimed outside of PR
and
> VI for the SSB SS, I will wind up right behind WP3R if my nils and busteds
> aren't too bad.
>
> Yup, I would like to see my score be number one and win the plaque. We
all
> have geographical advantages in whatever contest we are in. Some of us
are
> blessed to live in W1 land for the DX contests. If someone wants to win
SOAB in
> CQWW and lives in W6/W7 he had better buy a plane ticket somewhere because
he
> sure as hell isn't going to win living in out west.
>
> In domestic contests the SS world sort of belongs to the boys west of the
> Mississippi. It is tough to win from W1, W2, W3. If someone wants to win
from
> those areas, they will probably need to buy a plane ticket to VI or PR.
So
> what if the same person buys a plane ticket to the same place year after
year?
>
> To me, it's like a modest MM bitching about KC1XX having great ops year
after
> year and being able to spend a lot more money on equipment than the little
> guy does.
>
> Just because a guy buys a ticket to a great station year after year,
doesn't
> mean he is going to win. When they finally do come in second, the thrill
of
> victory for the new guy is VERY sweet. Wait 'til next year.....Hope
springs
> eternal!
>
> Bill K4XS
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:43:33 -0800
> From: "Tom Osborne" <w7why at charter.net>
> To: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] contest station primer
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> Tom W7WHY
> > a important consideration in contest receivers is where the >tuning
> knob is located. some radios like the nc183 and super >pro have the
> band spread knob lower down and on the right >side, some higher in the
> middle like the HRO60. tuning knob >height is of utmost importance
> after many hours of operating.
> >
> > some operators like an on-end 2x4 platform to hold the desk
> >equipment, so you have room for logs, keys, etc under the >receivers
> proper, the famed
> > KH6IJ had his HRO60 mounted at a 45 degree angle facing >up so he
> could jst lay his hand on the dial
> >
> > a good crystal filter and an outboard 85 kc if strip helps too.
>
> Yeah, the old ARC-5 receiver was great for that. Really got some
> great filtering using that as an outboard IF.
> You really needed a good Q-multiplier too! The old 2-BQ was a great
> one as was the QF-1.
> And stay away from plug-in coils too! You could get a real jolt
> trying to change one of those when you are half asleep. 73
>
> >
> > make sure the VFO knob is located conveniently to which >ever hand
> you deem to tune it with
> >
> > all send/receive functions should be in a single switch, >preferably
> a small movable one on the desk, i personally never >have been able to
> operate a foot switch over a contest period
> >
> > good luck in the contest
> >
> > mike w7dra
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:43:35 -0800
> From: "Leigh S. Jones" <kr6x at kr6x.com>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
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> First of all, imagine that you love to operate contests, and really
> enjoy winning.
>
> Next, imagine operating the SS year after year from your station
> in the continental US/VE. Imagine winning 130 million in the
> Pennsylvania Lotto. You build up your station -- spend all the
> money it takes. You buy just the right property, you buy 5
> 120-foot Big Bertha's and stack dozens of big monoband yagis.
> You win the contest year after year from the continental US/VE.
>
> Now, isn't your victory nothing but a hollow victory? I mean,
> after all, you've spent more money in pursuit of victory than any
> other ham in history, and it was sheer dumb luck that you could.
>
> Seems to me that you're missing the point here. Everyone who
> contests can take credit for his accomplishments, even if the
> score is only a few hundred QRP contacts, and even if the
> score is an outright victory from a fine station.
>
> Frankly, it isn't all that easy to go to Puerto Rico or the Virgin
> Islands and win the SS. If it was, then you'd see five or six
> West Indies stations topping the SS top 10 every year. In
> fact, to win SS from DX requires that you combine a fine
> station and a fine operator. Anything less than a real fine
> station won't cut it from DX in the SS.
>
> If the WP3R station and operator combination were moved
> to the Gulf Coast somewhere, the contact total would perhaps
> be down a bit, but it looks to me as if it would still be good
> for a victory (I assume here that someone doesn't fill the
> void from Puerto Rico).
>
> The reason WP3R dominates is that we're seeing a truly
> quality combination of QTH, OP, and ANTENNAS, just
> as we saw when a series of fine operators went to KP4RF
> years ago. It's not because it's real easy from DX. You
> have to remember the incident around 20 years ago when
> a fine operator with about 10 recent SS first place finishes
> (K7VPF/K7JA) went to a fine DX station (KV4FZ) that
> was only slightly down from the standards of antenna
> building that WP3R and KV4FZ have set (stuff like big
> yagi stacks on all the important bands) only to come in
> second behind W0TR with W0UA operating.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K5NZ at aol.com>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:34 PM
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
>
>
> > Can someone tell me why anyone would go outside the continental
> US/VE year
> > after year to win SS ? I truly don't understand it. I can see
> going and doing
> > it for the fun of being DX one time but every year? And if it is
> for the
> > winning aspect, the true competition is being first from continental
> US/VE ? A
> > win from DX is nothing but a hollow victory. Maybe I'm missing
> something here?
> >
> > nz
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > The world's top contesters battle it out in Finland!
> > THE OFFICIAL FILM of WRTC 2002 now on professional DVD and VHS!
> > http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jamesb/
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:36:55 -0600
> From: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt at mb.sympatico.ca>
> To: <K5NZ at aol.com>, <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
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> Because it's the most damned fun SS will ever be?
>
> Sure, it's not for everyone, but don't begrudge someone who obviously so
> enjoys it that he has that weekend booked for the foreseeable future.
>
> And don't for a moment think that it's easy. Average ops could go in there
> and make a total mess of it. Just think, those "Please copy..." guys
> wouldn't stand a chance. There's absolutely nothing "hollow" about it.
>
> Don't knock it till you try it.
>
> I certainly won't, 'cuz I'd love to go and do that myself. And I'd have no
> problem making it a yearly ritual, either.
>
> 73, kelly
> ve4xt
>
> ps: Forgive me, but are we really needing to explain this to a contester?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K5NZ at aol.com>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:34 PM
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
>
>
> > Can someone tell me why anyone would go outside the continental US/VE
year
> > after year to win SS ? I truly don't understand it. I can see going
and
> doing
> > it for the fun of being DX one time but every year? And if it is for
the
> > winning aspect, the true competition is being first from continental
US/VE
> ? A
> > win from DX is nothing but a hollow victory. Maybe I'm missing
something
> here?
> >
> > nz
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > The world's top contesters battle it out in Finland!
> > THE OFFICIAL FILM of WRTC 2002 now on professional DVD and VHS!
> > http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jamesb/
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:47:35 -0000
> From: "Rex Maner" <k7qq at netzero.net>
> To: "CQ-CONTEST" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Fw: [CQ-Contest] several contesting questions
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>
> Quacks
> Another 40 years of contesting experience from here , YOU gotta hear UM
and
> make UM hear you. Antenna's make up 90 + % of this hobby, contester , DX
> er , or whatever er.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schimelpfenig" <k7sv at adelphia.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 00:26
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] several contesting questions
>
>
> > I don't think one can say that any specific rig is not a contesting
radio.
> > Some are much better than others and for my money the most critical
> element
> > is a decent receiver.
> >
> > In the most recent edition of the National Contesting Journal George
K5KG
> > did an article comparing the IC746PRO vs the IC756PROII. He said that
when
> > it comes to the basic receive and transmit capabilities of the two
radios,
> > they are essentially equal in terms of functionality and performance. I
> > happen to use one of the original IC746 (not pro) radios for contesting
> from
> > home. I'm going to guess that the receiver in the PRO is better than
that
> in
> > the original 746. The front end of the 746 tends to cave in when
operated
> in
> > a band full of loud signals, especially on the lower bands. Aside from
> that
> > the radio has a lot of features that are very beneficial to me in
> > contesting.
> >
> > In my opinion, you're fortunate to be getting into contesting with the
> very
> > competitive radio you currently have.
> >
> > Doug's comment about putting your money in the antennas are right on the
> > money.
> >
> > If you review the contest reflector archives, you will see one theme
> > repeated over and over. That is that a skilled operator at a modest
> station
> > will frequently outgun a less skilled operator at a super station. The
key
> > is to get in the contests and develop those skills.
> >
> > I hope you get as much pleasure out of conesting as I have over the past
> 40
> > years.
> >
> > 73 de Larry K7SV
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > The world's top contesters battle it out in Finland!
> > THE OFFICIAL FILM of WRTC 2002 now on professional DVD and VHS!
> > http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jamesb/
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:03:59 -0500
> From: "Jim White, K4OJ" <k4oj at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Need a supplier I can count on to ship on Monday
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>
> I need to purchase or fabricate some amplifier relay and external
> antenna cabling before the contest next weekend. Need to have some for
> MP's and some for TS940's...
>
> Who is a good source for either prefab cables or the funky DIN plugs
> that fit Kenwood and Yaesu gear?
>
> I need someone I can count on to ship out on Monday AM fer sure.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim, K4OJ
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:07:15 -0700
> From: "Grillo's" <ah3c at frii.com>
> To: "Charles Margelli" <cmandjm at earthlink.net>
> Cc: CQ Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] contest station primer
> Message-ID: <001c01c3b0e0$873c1350$7fc420cc at yourb79wz4rose>
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>
> It's a benefit to all of us when an experienced contester has the
> opportunity to be in on the design effort for a radio.
>
> The FT-1000D has a most elegant location for tuning knobs and RIT
> control.....I remember working hundreds of stations all around my
frequency
> for hours at a time at AH3C in '89-'90 and never feeling tired, with the
> radio sitting in its normal position....Chip, didn't you have a hand in
> making that happen? In the 70's, during good propagation, I remember
> drooling from W6RTT while you were running JA's for hours at W7RM. That
and
> your DX exploits must have given you the clue!
>
> I shy away from working split frequency when in command of pileups because
> it ties up a frequency pair and the pileup is usually a lot wider than
when
> working around your own frequency. The downside, of course, is when they
> call on top of you and others can't hear you.
>
> There was one occasion when the pileup on 15 M was so thick the rate
dropped
> to a crawl because of the bedlam. So, I slipped up the band about 40 KHz
> using the 2nd VFO and started another pileup. When it got too heady 10
> minutes later I switched back to the original VFO frequency and there were
> still people calling from before, but it was then easy to pick them off.
As
> the pile grew again, the 2nd VFO pileup had dwindled down to where I could
> run the rate back up to normal. This went on for about 3 hours, switching
> every 2-3 minutes at a time....great memorable run.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Osborne" <w7why at charter.net>
> To: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] contest station primer
>
>
> >
> > Tom W7WHY
> > > a important consideration in contest receivers is where the >tuning
> > knob is located. some radios like the nc183 and super >pro have the
> > band spread knob lower down and on the right >side, some higher in the
> > middle like the HRO60. tuning knob >height is of utmost importance
> > after many hours of operating.
> > >
> > > some operators like an on-end 2x4 platform to hold the desk
> > >equipment, so you have room for logs, keys, etc under the >receivers
> > proper, the famed
> > > KH6IJ had his HRO60 mounted at a 45 degree angle facing >up so he
> > could jst lay his hand on the dial
> > >
> > > a good crystal filter and an outboard 85 kc if strip helps too.
> >
> > Yeah, the old ARC-5 receiver was great for that. Really got some
> > great filtering using that as an outboard IF.
> > You really needed a good Q-multiplier too! The old 2-BQ was a great
> > one as was the QF-1.
> > And stay away from plug-in coils too! You could get a real jolt
> > trying to change one of those when you are half asleep. 73
> >
> > >
> > > make sure the VFO knob is located conveniently to which >ever hand
> > you deem to tune it with
> > >
> > > all send/receive functions should be in a single switch, >preferably
> > a small movable one on the desk, i personally never >have been able to
> > operate a foot switch over a contest period
> > >
> > > good luck in the contest
> > >
> > > mike w7dra
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > The world's top contesters battle it out in Finland!
> > THE OFFICIAL FILM of WRTC 2002 now on professional DVD and VHS!
> > http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jamesb/
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:19:23 -0700
> From: "Grillo's" <ah3c at frii.com>
> To: "Leigh S. Jones" <kr6x at kr6x.com>, <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
> Message-ID: <003101c3b0e2$1c7d7f70$7fc420cc at yourb79wz4rose>
> References: <11c.287c967a.2cefd0ed at aol.com>
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>
> Well said, Leigh.
>
> But, watch out for Steve, N2IC. Next year's results could top them all!
> Look at his recent SSCW results from Colorado, Wyoming, and New
> Mexico.....Well built 2-tower stations with stacked beams.
>
> His new construction project in Silver City looks like a daunting task,
but
> looks like a perfect spot to set new records....good luck Steve, your
> efforts are setting a new standard!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leigh S. Jones" <kr6x at kr6x.com>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
>
>
> > First of all, imagine that you love to operate contests, and really
> > enjoy winning.
> >
> > Next, imagine operating the SS year after year from your station
> > in the continental US/VE. Imagine winning 130 million in the
> > Pennsylvania Lotto. You build up your station -- spend all the
> > money it takes. You buy just the right property, you buy 5
> > 120-foot Big Bertha's and stack dozens of big monoband yagis.
> > You win the contest year after year from the continental US/VE.
> >
> > Now, isn't your victory nothing but a hollow victory? I mean,
> > after all, you've spent more money in pursuit of victory than any
> > other ham in history, and it was sheer dumb luck that you could.
> >
> > Seems to me that you're missing the point here. Everyone who
> > contests can take credit for his accomplishments, even if the
> > score is only a few hundred QRP contacts, and even if the
> > score is an outright victory from a fine station.
> >
> > Frankly, it isn't all that easy to go to Puerto Rico or the Virgin
> > Islands and win the SS. If it was, then you'd see five or six
> > West Indies stations topping the SS top 10 every year. In
> > fact, to win SS from DX requires that you combine a fine
> > station and a fine operator. Anything less than a real fine
> > station won't cut it from DX in the SS.
> >
> > If the WP3R station and operator combination were moved
> > to the Gulf Coast somewhere, the contact total would perhaps
> > be down a bit, but it looks to me as if it would still be good
> > for a victory (I assume here that someone doesn't fill the
> > void from Puerto Rico).
> >
> > The reason WP3R dominates is that we're seeing a truly
> > quality combination of QTH, OP, and ANTENNAS, just
> > as we saw when a series of fine operators went to KP4RF
> > years ago. It's not because it's real easy from DX. You
> > have to remember the incident around 20 years ago when
> > a fine operator with about 10 recent SS first place finishes
> > (K7VPF/K7JA) went to a fine DX station (KV4FZ) that
> > was only slightly down from the standards of antenna
> > building that WP3R and KV4FZ have set (stuff like big
> > yagi stacks on all the important bands) only to come in
> > second behind W0TR with W0UA operating.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <K5NZ at aol.com>
> > To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:34 PM
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] SS Question
> >
> >
> > > Can someone tell me why anyone would go outside the continental
> > US/VE year
> > > after year to win SS ? I truly don't understand it. I can see
> > going and doing
> > > it for the fun of being DX one time but every year? And if it is
> > for the
> > > winning aspect, the true competition is being first from continental
> > US/VE ? A
> > > win from DX is nothing but a hollow victory. Maybe I'm missing
> > something here?
> > >
> > > nz
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