[CQ-Contest] QSO B4

[Ron Notarius WN3VAW]

Barry's comments dredged up an old memory...

During the very early days of computerized contest logging (think CT 6.18
vintage) I was working stations in a domestic contest (no, I don't recall
which one, but I think it was a state QSO party) just for fun and to hand
out a few Q's.

On my 4th contact, a conversation along these lines occurred:

-- W8xxxx QRZ Contest
-- W8xxxx from WN3VAW 59 PA
-- Sorry OM you're a dupe
-- Not possible, I've only worked 3 other stations
-- Sorry, the computer says you're a dupe, so you're a dupe!
-- Look, we haven't worked before, your computer is wrong.
-- Hey, you're a dupe, alright?  Quit being a lid!
-- OK, whatever

About 10 minutes later:
--- K8xxxx from WN3VAW 59 PA
--- WN3VAW thanks from K8xxxx QRZ?
--- WN3VAW from W8xxxx
--- W8xxxx this is not my frequency
--- No wait!  I found a problem in my computer program!  You're not a dupe!
I need to work you!
--- Sorry, not my frequency, K8xxxx thanks for standing by and go ahead

Fortunately, technology has gotten better since then.  I think.

73, ron wn3vaw

"The proprieties must be observed."

----- Original Message -----
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:22:45 -0000
From: "Barry " <w2up at mindspring.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] QSO B4

IMO, the only solution is from the DX end - if a "dupe" calls you,
you work him again and not argue about being a dupe.
A not uncommon scenario:
DX: IR4T QRZ listening 7200
ME: W2UP
DX: W2UP worked before QRZ
ME: my response lost to W3LPL calling in now
DX: W3LPL 5914
W3LPL: 595
DX: TNX QRZ (as an aside, just as bad as not IDing is not stating
your listening freq each time you QRZ)
ME: W2UP
DX: W2UP I already told you we worked before
ME: No we haven't. You not in my log
and so on...

Bottom line - work the "dupe." Otherwise there's a good chance you've
lost 3 QSOs for a N-I-L (and wasted extra time explaining yourself)
Barry

On 4 Sep 2003 Mike Gilmer wrote:

> The big problem is even knowing there are two stations listening on the
same
> freq.  Most times one would not know this was happening, so there's
nothing
> "special" one can do.
>
> Sending the other station's call seems the only thing one can do, and for
it
> to be effective, it seems it must be done whenever there's a high
likelihood
> of this happening (like ALL the time on 40 phone in a DX contest).
>
> However, if somehow you *know* there are two guys listening on one freq.,
> and both come back to you, I would just log them both.  Two QSOs for one
> "over" is quite efficient.  Doesn't work quite so well in a serial number
> contest, though... Regardless, this is pretty rare, IMO.
>
> Now, something that is less rare... suppose you are on 40SSB in CQWW, and
> call IR4T and he says QSO B4, and he isn't in your log, nor is there
> anything close.  He tells you that you worked at 03:44Z the previous day,
> and you were on 40 then, but still cannot find a match.  Two things can
> happen:
>
> 1.0) He does the smart thing and works you "again" and now you are in each
> other's logs.
> 2.0) He gives you a hard time and won't work you again. So, you can
either:
>      2.1) go away and not log him.  You lose one QSO, but <hand wringing>
he
> loses four.
>      2.2) log him anyway - is that not the "smart" thing since "logged QSO
> time" seems to not be an issue in log checking (yet)?
>
> 73 Mike N2MG
>
>
> K4JRB wrote:
> > If say D44TD and IR4T are both listening on the same frequency how do
you
> > stop this duplication?   Sometimes it is not prudent to start with their
> > call ( D44TD this is K4JRB) but its the only way I know to stop the B4.
>
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Barry Kutner, W2UP              Internet: w2up at mindspring.com
Newtown, PA                     Frankford Radio Club


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