[CQ-Contest] Packet Cheerleaders

[Kelly Taylor]

Seems to me to be a complete perversion of the presumption of innocence. To
say that you must proactively take steps to make sure others don't break the
rules is a little much.


73, kelly
ve4xt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Rogozinski" <tonyrogo at telegraphy.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Packet Cheerleaders


It seems to me that as sophisticated as we are nowadays in log checking that
it should be possible to check packet spots - at least for the major
clusters -
to determine if there is any "cheerleading" going on.  And I think it could
most
likely be determined, if potential violations are discovered, whether or not
it was an intentional effort by the operator or an intentional effort by
someone
else to have the operater DQ'd or just some good samaritan trying to help.
On the other hand if the rules would prohibit that activity then I think it
would be
every serious operators' obligation to inform their friends, club members
and
others that  "cheerleading" is not  legal.
Unfortunately, for reasons I don't understand, there are "cheaters" in every
form of competition and we should try to enforce the rules for the benefit
of
the vast majority of contestants who play by them.

FWIW

Tony   W4OI, W4AMR &  HK3KAV
       ex N7BG et al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Notarius" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Packet Cheerleaders


> And THAT is the heart of the problem, IMHO.
>
> There is no way to determine if the Packet Cheerleaders have been
organized
> in advance by the station(s) in question, or if they just decided to do it
> on their own without the knowledge of the station(s).
>
> Hypothetically:  Let's say my club puts together a team to send down to
our
> USVI outpost and activate NP2SH for an upcoming major contest.  I think we
> can all agree that it should be wrong for the club to plan, in advance, to
> have people back home to make sure that they constantly spot the NP2SH
> station.  But what if one person back home works them, spots them, and
then
> mentions on the club repeater where they are... so a few other club
members
> can work them... and then those guys decide to "help" by spotting, and it
> snowballs from there.
>
> Should the hypothetical NP2SH station take the hit after the fact (up to
and
> including DQ) because some folks back home thought they were "helping?"
And
> worse thought, let's say that NP2SH becomes aware of this, objects to it
and
> asks the gang back home to stop -- and they don't, for whatever reason.
> What then?
>
> The core problem is that ethics can not be enforced... that is, I can not
> force you to be ethical (after all, you and I might well differ on what is
> and isn't ethical behavior on some hair-splitting points).  You can write
> the rules as much as possible to encourage ethical and legal behavior, but
> there will always be those who choose to do as they please.
>
> Packet Cheerleading should be discouraged, and I applaud K1TTT et al for
> bringing to light some of the... well, if not unethical or questionable,
> certainly odd or unusual operating behaviors.  But before we start
assessing
> penalities, let's be sure we understand the problem and make sure we apply
> those penalities to the right station.
>
> Just imagine... two M/M stations battling it out from the same region,
tight
> race, tight scores.  Wouldn't it be terrible if someones associated with
M/M
> 1 decided to cheerlead M/M 2 just to try and get them DQ'd?  (You think
that
> couldn't happen?  The way some of us have a "win at any cost" mentality? )
>
> 73, ron wn3vaw
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 +0100
> From: Jan Erik Holm <sm2ekm at telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Packet Cheerleaders
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>
> Problem is, when is it random and when is it
> not random.
>
> 73 SM2EKM
>
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