[CQ-Contest] 1 ponters for CQWW - A PROPOSED SOLUTION

Ted Bryant w4nz at comcast.net
Sat Dec 3 12:21:44 EST 2005

W4NZ comments interspersed below---

Kelly VE4XT had several good comments:
As well-intentioned as these ideas are, they really solve very little.

NZ: - Mike W0MU said: "..Discussion is what brings change..."

We all know what the rules are. We understand that it's an imposition to
work a same-country station for the mult. We realize that it's most polite
in this circumstance to wait till the station we want to work has hit a bit
of a lull, or simply find another same-country station who isn't running at
100 an hour. We realize the value in explaining ourselves with a 'tnx for
the mult.' We know that it doesn't matter which VE station we get for the VE
mult, or which K counts as the U.S. mult.

We, generally, aren't the problem.

NZ: -- Yes, we aren't the problem, the rules are. The only reason we feel 
the imposition is because we know the other station gets nothing for working 
us. W0MU also said: "If you want to get more people involved then make their 
contact count!"

It certainly sounds as though the majority of zero-point QSOs are coming
from folk who don't know the rules, have no reason to care about the rules
and, bless their hearts, think they're helping. After all, it's their
Amateur Radio too.

NZ: -- If this is true, and I suspect it may be at least in part, then whether
you get 1, none or a zillion points per QSO is really irrelevant.

We must also guard against unintended consequences: if we change the rules
to try to 'solve' the zero-point problem, how much time are we going to then
waste explaining the rules to the good-hearted souls who call in?

NZ: -- I would think NO more than you do now.

I can just see the thread after the first such WW: how do we tell
non-contester W stations to not call us? And then the thread after the first
following SS: why do we have so few casuals?

NZ: -- Someone has already pointed out that this also occurs in the ARRL DX, 
but they just work them anyway and go on. (and I believe you meant "following 

If your intention is to give contesting an even worse reputation than it
already has, by all means adopt rules that will cause stations to tell
others to go away. Even in the most polite language, even with the most
adept explanation, that's not going to sit well.

NZ: -- I don't believe anyone in this entirely too-long thread has that
intention. In fact, the existing rules already encourage stations to
"ignore" same-country callers.

I also see some hypocrisy here: when Black Holers mention their geographic
disadvantage in contesting, the typical response (and I don't really argue
it) is either move to New England or shut up.

Perhaps this is simply another geographic fact of life some stations must
live with more than others.

73, kelly

NZ: -- If I may quote Mike W0MU one more time:
"My comments are to make the contest more fun and enjoyable for all.  Being
located in the midwest-west is a big down fall compared to those on the East
coast much closer to a huge multiplier base....Contests will never be fair."

73, Ted W4NZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherman Banks" <w4atl at earthlink.net>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 1 ponters for CQWW - A PROPOSED SOLUTION

> This solution does not allow the CQing station to get a mult credit
> since 00 and not a 03/04/05 is sent.  It would seem to me that the best
> solution, in order to keep the "flavor" of CQWW, is to automatically
> give mult credit for your country and country's zone(s) for each band.
> Then, US stations would not need to make 0 point QSOs for the mult, the
> Europeans are happy since US stations aren't working each other
> inflating the scores for a "win", and scores are not dramatically
> changed keeping records intact.
> > Excuse me for repeating myself, but when I posted this
> > earlier NQ4I was the only one who picked up
> > on what I had proposed.
> ...
> > Let's reward each station for the QSO.  Let the calling
> > station get multiplier credit for the
> > same-country/zone (but zero points as it is now) but the
> > CQing station gets 1 point for the QSO. To
> > let the CQing station know that the caller needs the
> > same-country/zone multiplier, let the caller
> > send "00" (zero-zero) as the zone in his exchange. So
> > everyone gets 1 point for each "00" zone they
> > work and those who work stations in their same-country/zone
> > get the multiplier but zero points.
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