[CQ-Contest] Log checking questions

Barry w2up at mindspring.com
Sun Dec 18 17:04:19 EST 2005

I agree with Mike 100% on this one.  How can you expect Joe Ham tuning 
the bands to know the rules for a contest he happens upon?  The bands 
are open to hams around the world, restricted only by their government's 
rules.  Do you seriously expect a casual operator to be aware of every 
rule of every contest he tunes across?

There are plenty of times, when tuning acorss the band, I give out some 
contest QSOs in events I do not submit a log.  I learn the exchange and 
away I go.  If the rules say 100W only, I don't care.  If the rules say 
sending with your left foot only, I don't care.  I'm not an entrant.  I 
can do what I want. 
Barry W2UP

N7MAL wrote:

>Thank you very much for your opinion Mike. You have hi-lited the problem very well. The rule of the land today is anyone can break/bend any rule as long as a justification can be dreamed up. You are clearly saying if you are not officially in the contest you don't need to follow the rules of the contest. Amazing convoluted logic...
>Here is rule 3 for Stew Perry:
>""3. Categories: Single operator or multi-operator.  Remote or packet 
>   spotting shall not be used.  All transmitting and receiving antennas 
>   used must be within 100 km of each other.""
>It clearly says no packet spotting, It doesn't say it's OK to spot if you are not actually in the contest. At some point the contest rules must mean something. For those who were not aware of the rules several times announcements were made on the cluster system. Here's just one : 
>""17 Dec w1to (1833Z) : Stew Perry rules don't allow packet""
>Maybe 1 or 2 of the guys didn't know the rules of the contest but guys like K1TTT, who was probably the worst offender, is very well aware. K1TTT has made it very clear, on this mailing list, he will not, and does not, support any effort to stop/curtail spots in any contest, obviously including contests that specifically don't even allow spotting.
>There is obviously no solution to this as long as guys make lame, yes lame, excuses and other guys blatantly, with malice, thumb their noses at the rules.
>MAL              N7MAL
>Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
>It's already tomorrow in Australia
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Michael Tope 
>  To: N7MAL ; Barry 
>  Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com 
>  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:49
>  Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log checking questions
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL at CITLINK.NET>
>  To: "Barry" <w2up at mindspring.com>
>  Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log checking questions
>  > Barry I wasn't going to send the email below but because of what is 
>  > happening on the cluster this evening I decided to go ahead and send it. 
>  > Stew Perry is one contest that expressly prohibits using packet. Yet my 
>  > screen is full of 160 Stew Perry spots including spots for K9DX. I'm going 
>  > to say it again since no can or will control the packet problem then just 
>  > open it up as a 'free-for-all' for anyone and everyone.
>  > 73
>  >
>  Mal,
>  How do you know that the people posting the spots are planning to enter
>  the Stew Perry contest? In any given contest, there are people who are
>  just handing out QSO who don't plan to send in a score. They can do
>  whatever they want.
>  Mike, W4EF...............................
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Barry Kutner, W2UP             
Newtown, PA                     

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