[CQ-Contest] Fw: Just when you think

Alan Zack k7acz at cox.net
Tue Jan 18 10:42:44 EST 2005

I got pinged once for a busted call when I worked a friend during a 
contest who was not in the contest.  He heard me in the contest, 
answered my CQ, we chatted for a moment, I logged him and he gave me a 
contact S/N 001.  I was his only contest contact.  I considered him a 
unique call contact for me, the contest people said he was a busted 
call.  They did not indicate what they believed the call should have been.
It wasn't a big deal, just one QSO, but makes me wonder........

Bob Henderson wrote:

> Igor
> I guess one event probably influenced me most in my thinking about penalties
> for badly copied calls.  I won't name the individual concerned as my
> thoughts relate more to principle than personality but:
> While S&P in a recent major event, I called a very well known contest
> station.  Although he was very strong with me and I suspect I was with him,
> it took three calls, in between which he called CQ, before I got a response.
> When it came, the response was "Worked before".  I replied with "Not in log"
> and the station responded with  "You copied my call wrong".  I imediately
> knew which contact he was referring to, as I had only logged one other
> contact with his entity on that band.  So I said, "You didnt correct your
> call".  He replied, "No, I get multiplier, you get penalty....Hi!".
> This incident really showed up a weakness of a scheme which only penalises
> the operator who incorrectly logs the call (or logs an incorrect call).  It
> could be argued that such a scheme might provide incentive for the
> unscrupulous to fudge their own call when making exchanges with those who
> might constiute serious competition.
> Perish the thought, someone would actually do such a thing!
> Bob, 5B4AGN, P3F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at r66.ru>
> To: "Bob Henderson" <bob at cytanet.com.cy>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fw: Just when you think
>>>What I can't understand is why rules in some contests only penalise
>>the receiver for a badly copied call and not the sender.  It seems
>>>to me that if an appropriate exchange doesn't take place then
>>neither should there be a valid qso for either party.  If all
>>contests >supported a scheme in which both stations had to correctly
>>log calls and other exchange requirements for either to be awarded
>>points >the emphasis on ID might be improved. (at least in contests)
>>>Bob, 5B4AGN, P3F
>>This is an interesting subject. What Bob said about penalizing both
>>sides of QSO does make sense. There are two schools of thoughts. One
>>is the CQWW and WPX where receiving side takes all the penalties. I
>>was supporting this approach assuming that nowadays senders (well,
>>most of them) use computers for perfect sending and therefore all the
>>mistakes are on the receiving side.
>>Another school of thought is widely used here in Russia for most of
>>the contests (Russian DX contest excluded). It states that QSO is a
>>two way road and if something is wrong in one of the logs, then
>>correct exchange did not take place and both parties should be
>>penalized. The latter approach, although it sounds true, does not
>>take into account the fact that the motivation to be awarded points
>>for QSO could be different with different parties. If I am just
>>casual participant I do not care much about points an penalties.
>>Sometimes these participants do not send in log at all and therefore
>>all contacts with them should not be counted. Russian DX contest
>>sponsors tried to partly compensate for that by creating "virtual
>>logs" for such a participants and analyzing the probability of QSO
>>using sophisticated algorithm.
>>Anyway in the light of what Bob said, may be the more strict approach
>>when both stations are responsible for correct exchange in both logs
>>does make sense.
>>73, Igor UA9CDC
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Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
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