[CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet

SGT Korey Chandler korey.chandler at us.army.mil
Fri Nov 4 01:11:43 EST 2005


At least we'll know what killed it. Until then I'll beat the dead horse.
<tic>

73,

Korey
YI9VCQ/KA5VCQ
Baghdad, Iraq

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: k1ttt at arrl.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
> 
> That is precisely the attitude that will lead to the eventual end of
> contesting.
> 
> 
> MAL         N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Robbins K1TTT
>   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>   Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:09
>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
packet
> 
> 
>   Trying to ask node sysops to shut down during a contest would be a
> futile
>   effort.  The spotting network was designed and constructed by and
for
>   contesters and will not shutdown just because someone thinks they
want a
>   contest without it.  you can suggest this all you want, but it just
> ain't
>   going to happen.
> 
> 
>   David Robbins K1TTT
>   e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
>   web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>   AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
>   > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
>   > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 23:22
>   > To: Bill Parry; cq-contest at contesting.com
>   > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
packet
>   >
>   > And therein is the problem. You, and others, said: ""Outlawing
packet
>   > tomorrow would not
>   > have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of
> stations
>   > that
>   > are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
>   > countries.""
>   >
>   > How do you know? Why not give it a try? Voluntarily ask all the
nodes
> to
>   > shut down during CQWWCW. My prediction is the only loser will be
the
>   > sponsor because a majority of the scores will be down. Contesting
> without
>   > a crutch, what an intriguing concept.
>   > Again I ask why not give it a try?
>   >
>   >
>   > MAL         N7MAL
>   > BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
>   > http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>   > http://geocities.com/n7mal/
>   > Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
>   > It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Bill Parry
>   >   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 0:10
>   >   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
> packet
>   >
>   >
>   >   Folks,
>   >
>   >   I realize that packet causes lots of problems in contests but it
is
> not
>   > the
>   >   cause of all evil in contesting. There have been lots of
stations
> that
>   >   identify infrequently for years...certainly before packet was in
> common
>   > use.
>   >
>   >   It is really easy to blame the things you don't like for the all
the
>   >   foolishness we hear in the contests. Outlawing packet tomorrow
would
> not
>   >   have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of
> stations
>   > that
>   >   are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
>   > countries.
>   >   (We hope lots and lots of these stations.) They will continue to
use
>   > packet
>   >   and cause whatever negative consequences that result.
>   >
>   >   Considering the large numbers of Multi's, assisted stations and
> stations
>   >   that don't enter the contests, the numbers of S/O stations
> improperly
>   > using
>   >   packet is probably a pretty small percentage. This isn't to say
that
>   > what
>   >   they are doing is right. It is not. I just think that the number
is
>   > pretty
>   >   small considering all the "smoke and fire" that this topic has
>   > generated.
>   >
>   >   Hopefully, any change in the contest rules will be
well-considered.
>   > Changes
>   >   can have both positive and negative consequences. I sure hope
that
> we
>   > don't
>   >   make the rules so "pristine" that it's no fun anymore.
>   >
>   >   Bill, W5VX
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   >
>   >   >The really annoying thing I found this weekend were the
stations
>   >   >who were only identifying every 5 or 10 minutes because they
>   >   >had a steady diet of packet assisted stations feeding their
pileups
>   >   >who knew their callsign a priori. As a single-op unassisted,
it's a
>   >   >royal PITA when you are trying to make the most of your
operating
>   >   >time to have to sit on a frequency for 5 or 10 minutes
listening to
> a
>   >   >huge pileup and wondering if you really need that station for a
>   >   >multiplier because he won't identify.
>   >   >
>   >   >Packet can be fun if your just chasing DX, so I won't rain on
>   >   >packet user's parade (sometimes I am a packet user), but I just
>   >   >wish that the rare DX in the contests wouldn't assume that we
>   >   >are all using it all the time. Send your call each QSO like
>   >   >ZD8Z/N6TJ does.
>   >   >
>   >   >73 de Mike,
> W4EF.....................................................
>   >   >
>   >   >
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