[CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
Kelly Taylor
ve4xt at mts.net
Fri Nov 4 08:54:48 EST 2005
It always amazes me when someone takes a realistic look at the facts of
life, that packet operators do not answer to CQ-Contest, and is attacked for
having a bad attitude.
All the power to someone who is able to convince the packet networks to shut
down, but sniping from the cheap seats isn't going to do it. The genie's out
of the bottle. All the griping in the world isn't going to put it back in.
Instead of whining about it here, why not begin a campaign to convince
contest organizers to disallow packet? Start a petition. Organize rallies in
front of ARRL HQ. Write your congressman.
I'm not advocating for or against packet. Just pointing out that unless
someone takes concrete action, all the whining in the world isn't going to
stop it.
73, kelly
ve4xt
----- Original Message -----
From: "SGT Korey Chandler" <korey.chandler at us.army.mil>
To: "'N7MAL'" <N7MAL at CITLINK.NET>; <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
> At least we'll know what killed it. Until then I'll beat the dead horse.
> <tic>
>
> 73,
>
> Korey
> YI9VCQ/KA5VCQ
> Baghdad, Iraq
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:17 PM
> > To: k1ttt at arrl.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
> >
> > That is precisely the attitude that will lead to the eventual end of
> > contesting.
> >
> >
> > MAL N7MAL
> > BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> > http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> > http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> > Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> > It's already tomorrow in Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Robbins K1TTT
> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:09
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
> packet
> >
> >
> > Trying to ask node sysops to shut down during a contest would be a
> > futile
> > effort. The spotting network was designed and constructed by and
> for
> > contesters and will not shutdown just because someone thinks they
> want a
> > contest without it. you can suggest this all you want, but it just
> > ain't
> > going to happen.
> >
> >
> > David Robbins K1TTT
> > e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> > web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> > AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> > > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 23:22
> > > To: Bill Parry; cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
> packet
> > >
> > > And therein is the problem. You, and others, said: ""Outlawing
> packet
> > > tomorrow would not
> > > have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of
> > stations
> > > that
> > > are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
> > > countries.""
> > >
> > > How do you know? Why not give it a try? Voluntarily ask all the
> nodes
> > to
> > > shut down during CQWWCW. My prediction is the only loser will be
> the
> > > sponsor because a majority of the scores will be down. Contesting
> > without
> > > a crutch, what an intriguing concept.
> > > Again I ask why not give it a try?
> > >
> > >
> > > MAL N7MAL
> > > BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> > > http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> > > http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> > > Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> > > It's already tomorrow in Australia
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Parry
> > > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 0:10
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of
> > packet
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I realize that packet causes lots of problems in contests but it
> is
> > not
> > > the
> > > cause of all evil in contesting. There have been lots of
> stations
> > that
> > > identify infrequently for years...certainly before packet was in
> > common
> > > use.
> > >
> > > It is really easy to blame the things you don't like for the all
> the
> > > foolishness we hear in the contests. Outlawing packet tomorrow
> would
> > not
> > > have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of
> > stations
> > > that
> > > are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
> > > countries.
> > > (We hope lots and lots of these stations.) They will continue to
> use
> > > packet
> > > and cause whatever negative consequences that result.
> > >
> > > Considering the large numbers of Multi's, assisted stations and
> > stations
> > > that don't enter the contests, the numbers of S/O stations
> > improperly
> > > using
> > > packet is probably a pretty small percentage. This isn't to say
> that
> > > what
> > > they are doing is right. It is not. I just think that the number
> is
> > > pretty
> > > small considering all the "smoke and fire" that this topic has
> > > generated.
> > >
> > > Hopefully, any change in the contest rules will be
> well-considered.
> > > Changes
> > > can have both positive and negative consequences. I sure hope
> that
> > we
> > > don't
> > > make the rules so "pristine" that it's no fun anymore.
> > >
> > > Bill, W5VX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >The really annoying thing I found this weekend were the
> stations
> > > >who were only identifying every 5 or 10 minutes because they
> > > >had a steady diet of packet assisted stations feeding their
> pileups
> > > >who knew their callsign a priori. As a single-op unassisted,
> it's a
> > > >royal PITA when you are trying to make the most of your
> operating
> > > >time to have to sit on a frequency for 5 or 10 minutes
> listening to
> > a
> > > >huge pileup and wondering if you really need that station for a
> > > >multiplier because he won't identify.
> > > >
> > > >Packet can be fun if your just chasing DX, so I won't rain on
> > > >packet user's parade (sometimes I am a packet user), but I just
> > > >wish that the rare DX in the contests wouldn't assume that we
> > > >are all using it all the time. Send your call each QSO like
> > > >ZD8Z/N6TJ does.
> > > >
> > > >73 de Mike,
> > W4EF.....................................................
> > > >
> > > >
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