[CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

Mon Oct 10 04:07:36 EDT 2005

I don't know an algorithm from a pizza pie but here is a starting place: The participant's real-time logs and DX Packet-Cluster spots are fed into some computer with some special software. The software will be 'smart' enough to read the spots and the logs, in real-time. Every, single op, station who works a station which has been spotted, within 'X' period of time, gets a point. After a single-op or multi-op station has accumulated (i.e.) 100 points the software re-classifies the station to a multi-op assisted and electronically notifies the contest sponsor. Additionally the software/computer be made available to every contest sponsor and all logs submitted be run through the software, specifically looking for Packet-Cluster spot matches. The only change with post contest log checking would be after a log reached the specified point level the log would be disqualified.

MAL         N7MAL
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
It's already tomorrow in Australia
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Guy Molinari 
  To: N7MAL at CITLINK.NET ; cq-contest at contesting.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14
  Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

  Yes, I think so.  The scoreboard system could also aggregate data from the 
  packet cluster as well.   We would just need to come up with the algorithm 
  to identify the possible misuse of spots.

  Any ideas?

  Guy, N7ZG

  >From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL at CITLINK.NET>
  >To: "Guy Molinari" <guy_molinari at hotmail.com>,<cq-contest at contesting.com>
  >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
  >Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:59:28 -0000
  >Can or could you add the technology of simultaneously displaying the 
  >Packet-Cluster spots so it would be easy to determine who was claiming 
  >single op but obviously stealing spots..??.. It is easy to see that 
  >Packet-Cluster cheating is rampant and is a real threat to honest 
  >MAL         N7MAL
  >Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
  >It's already tomorrow in Australia
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Guy Molinari
  >   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
  >   Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 21:38
  >   Subject: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
  >   This was exactly my point in the earlier posting.   I am a software 
  >   by profession and I am
  >   responsible for providing the "push" infrastructure behind the the 
  >   web sites.   While I
  >   cannot disclose the actual capabilities of this system, I can assure you
  >   that supporting the
  >   concurrent connections of all contesters and interested specators is 
  >   doable.
  >   I'm not talking about a static web page that must be periodically 
  >   Opening up the UBN's/logs would be a step in the right direction IMHO, 
  >   it would not stop the
  >   post contest 'massaging' of log data.
  >   I agree that knowing where your competitors stand would also have some
  >   positive motivational side
  >   effects.
  >   Now that I think of it, there are some parallels here with auto racing.
  >   The 'car' being the station
  >   of course.
  >   73's
  >   Guy, N7ZG
  >   >>This thread seems to be focusing on "releasing" logs
  >   after the event, for later scrutiny.  Why stop there?
  >   Why not "compete in the daylight" in the first place?
  >   Why not know your position against other competitors
  >   while the contest is still going on?<<
  >   Let's do the first step (publish logs), we been trying to get this for 
  >   years. Walk before you run!!!
  >   Compete in the daylight? What would that do?
  >   Like, when we compete, we take it easy, and then when we think someone 
  >   beating us, "we step on the gas"?
  >   So we will be watching how we do instead of running the contest?
  >   Not here, thank you! I want to prepare for contest (never enough time),
  >   enjoy
  >   operating (seriously, or just hand out contacts), submit the log and 
  >   or later) find out how I did.
  >   73  Yuri, K3BU.us
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