[CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

Tue Oct 11 00:18:42 EDT 2005

Hi Mal,
     What you suggest makes sense to me.   Barry, W2UP points out that it 
would be easy to 'game' the system by waiting for a time period to lapse and 
make it appear that normal S&P activity is taking place.    I would think 
that the effort required to do this would possibly negate any advantage.   
Also, the really rare mults will have pileups pretty quick if ignored for 
any reasonable lengh of time.

73's
Guy, N7ZG


>From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL at CITLINK.NET>
>To: "Guy Molinari" <guy_molinari at hotmail.com>,<cq-contest at contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:07:36 -0000
>
>I don't know an algorithm from a pizza pie but here is a starting place: 
>The participant's real-time logs and DX Packet-Cluster spots are fed into 
>some computer with some special software. The software will be 'smart' 
>enough to read the spots and the logs, in real-time. Every, single op, 
>station who works a station which has been spotted, within 'X' period of 
>time, gets a point. After a single-op or multi-op station has accumulated 
>(i.e.) 100 points the software re-classifies the station to a multi-op 
>assisted and electronically notifies the contest sponsor. Additionally the 
>software/computer be made available to every contest sponsor and all logs 
>submitted be run through the software, specifically looking for 
>Packet-Cluster spot matches. The only change with post contest log checking 
>would be after a log reached the specified point level the log would be 
>disqualified.
>
>
>MAL         N7MAL
>BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
>http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>http://geocities.com/n7mal/
>Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
>It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy Molinari
>   To: N7MAL at CITLINK.NET ; cq-contest at contesting.com
>   Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14
>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>
>
>   Yes, I think so.  The scoreboard system could also aggregate data from 
>the
>   packet cluster as well.   We would just need to come up with the 
>algorithm
>   to identify the possible misuse of spots.
>
>   Any ideas?
>
>   73's
>   Guy, N7ZG
>
>
>   >From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL at CITLINK.NET>
>   >To: "Guy Molinari" 
><guy_molinari at hotmail.com>,<cq-contest at contesting.com>
>   >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>   >Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:59:28 -0000
>   >
>   >Can or could you add the technology of simultaneously displaying the
>   >Packet-Cluster spots so it would be easy to determine who was claiming
>   >single op but obviously stealing spots..??.. It is easy to see that
>   >Packet-Cluster cheating is rampant and is a real threat to honest
>   >contesting.
>   >
>   >
>   >MAL         N7MAL
>   >BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
>   >http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>   >http://geocities.com/n7mal/
>   >Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
>   >It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Guy Molinari
>   >   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>   >   Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 21:38
>   >   Subject: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>   >
>   >
>   >   This was exactly my point in the earlier posting.   I am a software
>   >engineer
>   >   by profession and I am
>   >   responsible for providing the "push" infrastructure behind the the
>   >ESPN.com
>   >   web sites.   While I
>   >   cannot disclose the actual capabilities of this system, I can assure 
>you
>   >   that supporting the
>   >   concurrent connections of all contesters and interested specators is
>   >easily
>   >   doable.
>   >
>   >   I'm not talking about a static web page that must be periodically
>   >refreshed.
>   >
>   >   Opening up the UBN's/logs would be a step in the right direction 
>IMHO,
>   >but
>   >   it would not stop the
>   >   post contest 'massaging' of log data.
>   >
>   >   I agree that knowing where your competitors stand would also have 
>some
>   >   positive motivational side
>   >   effects.
>   >
>   >   Now that I think of it, there are some parallels here with auto 
>racing.
>   >   The 'car' being the station
>   >   of course.
>   >
>   >   73's
>   >   Guy, N7ZG
>   >
>   >
>   
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   >
>   >   >>This thread seems to be focusing on "releasing" logs
>   >   after the event, for later scrutiny.  Why stop there?
>   >   Why not "compete in the daylight" in the first place?
>   >   Why not know your position against other competitors
>   >   while the contest is still going on?<<
>   >
>   >   Let's do the first step (publish logs), we been trying to get this 
>for
>   >few
>   >   years. Walk before you run!!!
>   >
>   >   Compete in the daylight? What would that do?
>   >   Like, when we compete, we take it easy, and then when we think 
>someone
>   >is
>   >   beating us, "we step on the gas"?
>   >   So we will be watching how we do instead of running the contest?
>   >
>   >   Not here, thank you! I want to prepare for contest (never enough 
>time),
>   >   enjoy
>   >   operating (seriously, or just hand out contacts), submit the log and
>   >(sooner
>   >   or later) find out how I did.
>   >
>   >   73  Yuri, K3BU.us
>   >
>   >
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