[CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

Andrew Faber andrew.faber at gte.net
Wed Oct 12 15:54:36 EDT 2005

This is an interesting thread.  I'd be in favor of making all logs available 
publicly after the contest.  That would be very educational, and perhaps 
lead to an overall upgrading of contesting skills, as well as possibly 
helping to catch cheaters.
  OTOH, during the contest, I don't think it's anyone's business what band I 
am on, or how many Qs or mults I have, or when I have taken off time, etc. 
That information  all relates to real time contesting strategy, and 
shouldn't be divulged until after the event. If a competitor gains an 
advantage over me by having a higher rate on a different band at a given 
time, he should be allowed to enjoy that advantage, without my finding out 
about it in real time.
  73, Andy, AE6Y, P49Y
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <K3BU at aol.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

> In a message dated 10/12/2005 9:37:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Jimk8mr at aol.com writes:
> Concerning making logs available for public review, is there a  person, or
> site, to which one can send a log to be posted for public consumption 
> after
> the
> log submission deadline?<<
> I think the best way to handle the public viewing of logs, is to have say 
> in
> CQ WW, after the log emailing deadline and checking of logs, have the logs 
> and
> associated UBN files open and available for public viewing for period of 
> few
> weeks and be open for any comments or reports of suspected irregularities
> feedback to CC. After the review and checking out, the CC would finalize 
> the
> results and post official scores on the web or in the magazine (and send
> certificates/trophies).
> This way there will be opportunity for close competitors to check each 
> other
> and report any suspected anomalies, unburdening the CC from tedious work 
> of
> processing multitude of logs. Practically, only close scores, potential 
> records,
> really need closer scrutiny and this will help. "Losers" at 56th place in 
> the
> continent couldn't care less, but their logs are important to check the
> "whiners".  This would also be the great opportunity to learn and see the
> differences and propagation from various locations.
> Having separate sites would only complicate and confuse things. This 
> should
> be done by the contest sponsors. They have everything going on already, 
> just
> remove the requirements for the passwords, announce when the logs are 
> ready for
> viewing and give couple weeks for comments/corrections.
> This real time reporting idea might be "nice" sometimes in the future when
> all of us will be on high speed Internet, but for now, I think we have 
> much more
> "to fix" in contesting, rather than worry about "contesting in the 
> daylight".
> I just can't picture myself worrying about following competition in CQ WW
> (why?). One thing there is a shift in propagation and density of contacts 
> as the
> Earth turns. Our contesting is more of race within the time frame rather 
> than
> real time "running" against the competitors. Those who want to observe 
> action
> during the contest - take part in it, at least monitor the top racers, 
> observe
> they operating and reward others with QSOs and points. Watching the bar 
> graph
> on Internet gives you what? UBN will fix that anyway!
> I just wonder how many top ten scoring stations really care how their
> competition is doing during the contest. As I said before, if I am 
> serious, I try to
> run like hell, according to best of my abilities to maximize my score,
> regardless of what my competitors are doing. To me it just might look like 
> another
> idea of soliciting QSOs and points outside of rules, just like webcam, 
> packet
> friend/selfspotting and other "clever" ideas.
> For those who still don't "gitit": Packet is assistance by (an)other
> operator(s) and therefore either Assisted or Multi Operator category. 
> Single operator
> does all the work himself at (his) station, without being fed information 
> by
> others. Publicizing logs will be a deterrent to "assistance" cheating by 
> SO.
> Smart operators invest in antennas, station equipment and fine honing 
> operating
> skills and beat "assisted" most, if not all the time. Work the stuff 
> before
> packeteers get to it and scare it off the band.
> Yuri, K3BU.us
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