[CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be penalized for getting my license in 2000?

[John Geiger]

So if it isn't being enforced, why keep it?  Either
eliminate the check, or let each person just choose
any 2 digit number they want.  Maybe their age like in
the AA contest, since that would change every year.

73s John W5TD
Licensed in 80, and that is what I send!

--- Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net> wrote:

> Jeff, FWIW, you are absolutely correct.  That's what
> the rules say, that's
> what's supposed to be done.
> 
> The reality is that some people don't follow that
> rule.  Some like K0HB (not
> to pick on him, but he did own up to it, which is
> more than a lot do) change
> it each year -- or even between CW & Phone -- so
> that you have to actually
> copy it, not "remember" it via a software database
> of one sort or another.
> Some go with the year they got a particular call, or
> were relicensed, or
> whatever.  Some club station ops go with the year
> THEY were first licensed,
> not the year the CLUB was first licensed... or the
> year the club got their
> current call, etc. and so forth.
> 
> The reality is that the log checkers at ARRL may not
> have a way of knowing
> what year you were first licensed, and since they
> don't consider that
> significant, they instead ensure that if I say I
> worked you, my log shows
> the check you sent, whatever it is.
> 
> I could just imagine the outcry if they DQ'd or
> check logged a decent number
> of logs on the grounds that they sent the wrong
> check.  Wonder how many
> contesters would threaten to sue?  (BTW, I know a
> great lawyer, and he's
> licensed, too... but I digress).  So I doubt that it
> would happen.
> 
> We should not be disregarding the rules, but the
> reality is that this one
> isn't strictly enforced, if at all.
> 
> 73, ron w3wn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:45:27 -0500
> From: "Jeff Maass" <jmaass at k8nd.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be
> penalized
> 	forgettingmylicense in 2000?
> To: "'Zack Widup'" <w9sz at prairienet.org>, "'John
> Geiger'"
> 	<johngeig at yahoo.com>
> Cc: 'Shelby Summerville' <k4ww at arrl.net>,
> 'CQ-Contest'
> 	<CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> 
> Zack:
> 
> So, we can disregard specific rules when we want?
> 
> It's says "Last two digits of the year first
> licensed." If you select a
> number combination that's easier to send or copy
> without errors, you are in
> violation of the rules, and I would argue should
> your entry should be placed
> in the "checklog" pile without fail.
> 
> To do otherwise would be to encourage "gaming" the
> rules. Everyone might
> pick "73" for a check.
> 
> (I'll be active in Phone SS from the Very Rare
> section "Southern Netherlands
> Antilles
> (SNA)".
> 
> 73,  Jeff  K8ND
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Zack Widup
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:14 PM
> > To: John Geiger
> > Cc: Shelby Summerville; CQ-Contest
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be
> penalized
> > forgettingmylicense in 2000?
> >
> >
> > The section where you are located is used as a
> multiplier in
> > calculating your score.
> >
> > The check is not used in calculating your score;
> it is just a
> > number you need to copy accurately as it was sent.
>  It
> > doesn't even enter into a category in comparing
> scores, as
> > the "A", B"", "Q" etc. are. So it is in fact just
> a number
> > and as far as I'm concerned just needs to be
> copied
> > accurately. The  only impact it cold have on your
> score is
> > when you don't copy it correctly.
> >
> > Maybe we should change this; in addition to a
> clean sweep,
> > you could get a mug for copying all years in the
> check from
> > say 1920 to 2006.  :-)
> >
> > 73, Zack W9SZ
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, John Geiger wrote:
> >
> > > Exactly.  Why not just change the section you
> send every year.  I
> > > would probably get alot more calls sending NT or
> NL than OK.
> > >
> > > 73s John W5TD
> > >
> > > --- Shelby Summerville <k4ww at arrl.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > K0HB wrote; "Check variable from year to year"
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, unless the "last two digits of the year
> you were first
> > > > licensed);" is also "variable",  there is no
> option in
> > the rules for
> > > > the check to be "variable"?
> > > >
> > > > >From the rules: "4.4. Check (the last two
> digits of
> > > > the year you were first
> > > > licensed);"
> > > >
> > > > C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
> 
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