[CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be penalized for getting my license in 2000?

Thu Nov 9 18:19:40 EST 2006

But remember, the RST system is completely subjective.
 S9 means extremely strong signals-but relative to
what.  A signal just at the noise level is an
extremely strong signal when compared to the signal
being sent by the Voyager spacecraft.

73s John W5TD

--- Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mts.net> wrote:

> If we're going to make a big deal about what check
> is sent, then we should 
> find a way to verify signal strength really is 599
> in other contests, no? 
> After all, the rules do say RST and not some phony
> made up RST, no?
> 
> Unless there's a hue and cry about 599...
> 
> me: agn?
> you: ....n 03
> me: cl?
> you: W.....N
> me: sri QSB agn?
> you: ..3W...
> me: W3W?
> you: W3W....
> me: W3WN?
> you: R R R
> me: 5nn 04.
> 
> ...I don't see any need to discuss the veritability
> of checks.
> 
> And I'm NOT arguing for valid RSTs, either. Only
> making the point.
> 
> 73, kelly
> ve4xt
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be
> penalized for getting my 
> license in 2000?
> 
> 
> > Jeff, FWIW, you are absolutely correct.  That's
> what the rules say, that's
> > what's supposed to be done.
> >
> > The reality is that some people don't follow that
> rule.  Some like K0HB 
> > (not
> > to pick on him, but he did own up to it, which is
> more than a lot do) 
> > change
> > it each year -- or even between CW & Phone -- so
> that you have to actually
> > copy it, not "remember" it via a software database
> of one sort or another.
> > Some go with the year they got a particular call,
> or were relicensed, or
> > whatever.  Some club station ops go with the year
> THEY were first 
> > licensed,
> > not the year the CLUB was first licensed... or the
> year the club got their
> > current call, etc. and so forth.
> >
> > The reality is that the log checkers at ARRL may
> not have a way of knowing
> > what year you were first licensed, and since they
> don't consider that
> > significant, they instead ensure that if I say I
> worked you, my log shows
> > the check you sent, whatever it is.
> >
> > I could just imagine the outcry if they DQ'd or
> check logged a decent 
> > number
> > of logs on the grounds that they sent the wrong
> check.  Wonder how many
> > contesters would threaten to sue?  (BTW, I know a
> great lawyer, and he's
> > licensed, too... but I digress).  So I doubt that
> it would happen.
> >
> > We should not be disregarding the rules, but the
> reality is that this one
> > isn't strictly enforced, if at all.
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:45:27 -0500
> > From: "Jeff Maass" <jmaass at k8nd.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I be
> penalized
> > forgettingmylicense in 2000?
> > To: "'Zack Widup'" <w9sz at prairienet.org>, "'John
> Geiger'"
> > <johngeig at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: 'Shelby Summerville' <k4ww at arrl.net>,
> 'CQ-Contest'
> > <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> >
> > Zack:
> >
> > So, we can disregard specific rules when we want?
> >
> > It's says "Last two digits of the year first
> licensed." If you select a
> > number combination that's easier to send or copy
> without errors, you are 
> > in
> > violation of the rules, and I would argue should
> your entry should be 
> > placed
> > in the "checklog" pile without fail.
> >
> > To do otherwise would be to encourage "gaming" the
> rules. Everyone might
> > pick "73" for a check.
> >
> > (I'll be active in Phone SS from the Very Rare
> section "Southern 
> > Netherlands
> > Antilles
> > (SNA)".
> >
> > 73,  Jeff  K8ND
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> >> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Zack Widup
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:14 PM
> >> To: John Geiger
> >> Cc: Shelby Summerville; CQ-Contest
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Sweepstakes: Should I
> be penalized
> >> forgettingmylicense in 2000?
> >>
> >>
> >> The section where you are located is used as a
> multiplier in
> >> calculating your score.
> >>
> >> The check is not used in calculating your score;
> it is just a
> >> number you need to copy accurately as it was
> sent.  It
> >> doesn't even enter into a category in comparing
> scores, as
> >> the "A", B"", "Q" etc. are. So it is in fact just
> a number
> >> and as far as I'm concerned just needs to be
> copied
> >> accurately. The  only impact it cold have on your
> score is
> >> when you don't copy it correctly.
> >>
> >> Maybe we should change this; in addition to a
> clean sweep,
> >> you could get a mug for copying all years in the
> check from
> >> say 1920 to 2006.  :-)
> >>
> >> 73, Zack W9SZ
> >>
> >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, John Geiger wrote:
> >>
> >> > Exactly.  Why not just change the section you
> send every year.  I
> >> > would probably get alot more calls sending NT
> or NL than OK.
> >> >
> >> > 73s John W5TD
> >> >
> >> > --- Shelby Summerville <k4ww at arrl.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > K0HB wrote; "Check variable from year to
> year"
> >> > >
> >> > > IMHO, unless the "last two digits of the year
> you were first
> >> > > licensed);" is also "variable",  there is no
> option in
> >> the rules for
> >> > > the check to be "variable"?
> >> > >
> >> > > >From the rules: "4.4. Check (the last two
> digits of
> >> > > the year you were first
> >> > > licensed);"
> >> > >
> >> > > C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
> >
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