[CQ-Contest] ARRL "endorses" cut numbers

[Pete Smith]

I don't think NE6I's point is valid at all.  "._" is just as legitimate a 
code for "1" as "._ _ _ _".  But copying and submitting A for "._" in a 
serial number is just silly, and sending "._" when most people are 
expecting a full 1 just causes confusion.  It took 20 years or so for "N" 
to become generally accepted for "9" in the RST formula.

John, K4BAI, made the best practical point - if you are expecting each 
number to be composed of 5 elements, then cut numbers using 4 elements 
create ambiguity that virtually demands a repeat.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 07:06 AM 6/6/2007, Paul J. Piercey wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dennis Younker NE6I
> > Sent: June 6, 2007 04:41
> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL "endorses" cut numbers
> >
> > This brings up the point that when the rules say that a QSO
> > "number" will be sent, a cut number is apparently not
> > technically legal.
> >
> > --Dennis, NE6I
> >
>
>Although your point is valid, it is legal if it has been agreed to in
>advance that cut numbers are acceptable and the precedent seems to have been
>already set.
>
>73 -- Paul VO1HE
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Pruett" <k8cc at comcast.net>
> > Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL "endorses" cut numbers
> >
> >
> > >I would like to remind everyone that "using" cut numbers is
> > not the same
> > > thing as "logging" cut numbers.
> > >
> > > I check the logs for the ARRL 10M contest, where DX
> > stations send RST &
> > > serial numbers for their exchange.  If the station sends
> > you a number
> > > with cut digits, it is *your* responsibility to turn those
> > into numeric
> > > digits in your log.  QSO numbers containing alphabetic
> > digits will be
> > > scored as non-valid (no penalties, but you lose the QSO).  This
> > > direction was concurred to by the ARRL Contest Department.
> > >
> > > I'm sure someone will claim "but I just copied what was sent".  No
> > > matter - the rules say a QSO *number* must be received and
> > logged, so it
> > > is the entrant's responsibility to make the translation, not the log
> > > checkers.  The entrant is the person present when the QSO
> > is made; if
> > > there is any doubt as to what the number is, they are the
> > only ones who
> > > can ask for a fill and remove all doubt.
> > >
> > > Again, it's not my intent to deter the use of cut numbers
> > (although I
> > > personally will not), but I want to make it clear that the
> > log (at least
> > > for ARRL 10M) must show actual numbers for the QSO to be valid.
> > >
> > > Dave/K8CC
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Harrison wrote:
> > >> At 11:22 PM 6/4/2007 +0000, kr2q at optonline.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sorry...couldn't resist.
> > >>>
> > >>> See the section titled "Work the Experts" - this is an intro
> > >>> for newbies who "can copy and send Morse code at 5 to 10 WPM."
> > >>> http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2003/10/21/1/
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Oh, brother..... I really didn't need to read that  ;o(((((((
> > >>
> > >> It's been several decades since I did a SS and maybe
> > things have sorta
> > >> "evolved" in the meantime......  So I haven't the vaguest
> > idea whether,
> > >> for
> > >> example, during the 2006 SS, A was often used by the
> > faster ops for 1.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Even QRPers get it.
> > >>> See "The 'Secret' Language of the Exchange"
> > >>> http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2002/10/21/1/
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I can see that, considering the QRPers are a pretty
> > tight-knit and close
> > >> group. When I was doing high-speed meteor scatter, we also
> > had a few
> > >> shortcuts we'd sometimes take that could completely
> > bamboozle a newbie.
> > >>
> > >> Steve, K0XP
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