[CQ-Contest] I've heard it all now!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

But it's sure funny that ONLY the operators on 3655 have actively complained about 2nd harmonics.

If the problem was on the transmitter end of the folks on 160, wouldn't it stand to reason that you'd see 2nd harmonic problems on every one of their transmissions, up and down the band?  Wouldn't there be 2nd harmonic complaints from operators on 3600 to 3800 kHz?  Wouldn't we be hearing from all the other nets (and alleged nets and ragchew circles and curmudgeons and lord knows what else) operating in that frequency spectrum?  

Isn't it exceedingly odd that the transmitters only have an alleged 2nd harmonic problem when they're on 1827.5 kHz?  That the complaints target specific people, and that they got posted to the web site within 24 hours of the end of the contest?

I'm not making excuses for anyone, nor am I ruling out the possibility that in at least some of the cases, there MAY have been a problem on the transmitter end -- an allegation that would need supporting evidence before I call it a hypothesis.

But without evidence to the contrary, frankly, the allegations don't hold up.

And while I'm thinking of it... why are we (or at least some of us) making excuses for the anti-contest bunch?  Why are their complaints -- with no evidence (time?  day?  exact frequency?  who was being called by the alleged interfering station?) being accepted at face value, yet the contesters who have been smeared on that web site are the ones who have to face the music and defend themselves?

73

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Stockton [mailto:k5go at cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:48 PM
To: wn3vaw at verizon.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] I've heard it all now!


Ron,

If someone in the midwest will put their SDR with Skimmer on 3650, covering plus/minus about 48 Khz from that frequency during the CQ 160M Contest, everyone will be able to see the results - a nice list of who have a second harmonic that can be heard, when it was heard, and how loud it was relative to the noise on the receiver end.

Although my interests are clear, consider the following.  Let's say there was an amateur band that went from 900 - 925 Khz and there were those who operated that band who could be heard with pretty strong signals on 1800 - 1850.  Those who are topband enthusiasts would be REALLY, REALLY upset.  Not a lot of difference except I doubt these guys have any problems copying each other through the second harmonics that happen to land on top of them.  

I would be more likely to buy into a notion of a problem being on the receive end or out of the control of the transmitting guy if they were not exactly double the fundamental frequency and and heard by many people.  It is not just a couple of guys who have heard some pretty strong signals propagated for over a thousand miles.  It is many.

Stan, K5GO

  
---- Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Let's apply a little use of Occam's Razor to this.
> 
> If all of the stations listed on the 3655 group's web site had 2nd harmonic
> problems while on 160, wouldn't there be a little bit more heard about it?
> OO notices?  Comments from other operators?  Gripes from users of other
> frequencies?
> 
> Therefore:  If all these guys had malfunctioning stations, surely they would
> have heard something about it by now.  AFAIK, they haven't.
> 
> OTOH, if only one or two stations are claiming that they heard all of these
> alleged 2nd harmonics, and no one else has... that's a clear indication
> (granted, not proof) that the problem is on their end, not the transmitter's
> end.
> 
> The defense rests.  And after fighting with spyware on W9UK's computer half
> the night, believe me, I need the rest!
> 
> 73
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of KI9A at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: n2ic at arrl.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] I've heard it all now!
> 
> 
> 
> No, I am laughing.  Who's site is this? It obviously is an  anti-contester,
> with a very small mind, judging by the little man pissing.
> 
> I know at LEAST two of the call on the "wall of shame". They are locals.
> They both run small stations. I REFUSE to believe any of this, until I hear
> it
> myself. I have been a ham, wait, a VERY active ham, for over 30 years, and
> have
>  never, to my knowledge, heard a 2nd harmonic of a 160 station, on 80
> meters.
> As  a matter of fact, I will make a check on a couple of these guys who I
> know, ask  them to operate on 160, and see if I hear them on 80.
> 
> I call B.S. on this site.
> 
> 73- Chuck
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/8/2008 11:56:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> n2icarrl at gmail.com writes:
> 
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