[CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...

[Robert Naumann]

Kelly,

While I agree with you in principle, the problem comes in when you are
considering assisted / non assisted categories.

It is not that I need to be in competition with K1TTT in order to cheat and
use assistance from his posting of his real-time breakdown. Let's face it,
any serious multi-multi's real-time breakdown score should provide
meaningful propagation information to anyone watching the rate at which the
multi is logging qsos on each band.

What if you're running guys on a wide-open 15m but you don't want to miss a
10m opening? All you need to do is keep running on 15 and then watch a
multi-multi's real-time breakdown and see when they start logging qsos on
10, and that's when you might start popping up there to see what's going on
in your area.

It is receiving outside assistance that is the problem.

I see no benefit of providing real-time breakdowns and it has this
definitely negative aspect. I have no concern about summary scores being
posted real-time as it does not provide any specific information about what
a station is doing and could not be used for cheating.

73,

Bob W5OV



-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Taylor [mailto:ve4xt at mts.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:27 PM
To: Robert Naumann; 'Robert Chudek - K0RC'; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...

With all due respect to everyone involved, I'm no more convinced today that 
getscores is an instrument for cheating than I was yesterday, when I thought

the issue was a non-starter.

Can you see your rival's score? Yes. Can you see which band he's on? Yes.

Does that matter? I'm not convinced. Perhaps its my relative isolation that 
colours my opinion, but it's of absolutely no value to me whatsoever to know

that while I'm plugging away at 60/hr on a dead 20, K1TTT is racking up Qs 
on10 meters like there's no tomorrow.

But even if I'm in New England and privy to the same propagation as Dave, if

I'm at all competitive with him, I moved to 10 about the same time he did. 
Maybe I'm a bit more savvy and got there first. But if I'm not savvy enough 
to know propagation from my area as well as he does, or savvy enough to have

another receiver to listen for openings, I'm probably not a savvy enough 
operator to be in his leagues anyway. So what's the issue? It's not like 
knowing that a band is open is going to make me proficient at working it. 
And if he's beating me on the knowledge of propagation issue, he's probably 
cleaning my clock on other skills in contesting too.

I suspect that getscores will provide more benefit overall to contesting 
than whatever negatives the risk of it being used to cheat may arise.

73, kelly
ve4xt



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov at w5ov.com>
To: "'Robert Chudek - K0RC'" <k0rc at pclink.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...



I'm sorry - I thought you were responding to my message where I pointed out
that the potential of using of using scoreboard to cheat is an issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Chudek - K0RC [mailto:k0rc at pclink.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:38 PM
To: Robert Naumann; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...

I didn't say cheating was a non-issue. I said the scoreboard is a non-issue.

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov at w5ov.com>
To: "'Robert Chudek - K0RC'" <k0rc at pclink.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...



How is cheating a non-issue?

I am anxious to be better informed.

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Chudek - K0RC [mailto:k0rc at pclink.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:39 AM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...

Bob - W5OV wrote:

"As a Single-Op, I could watch what a multi-multi is doing (who is posting
their breakdown) on which bands and make my band selection based on that
information. If I'm running on 20, and I see their qso count increasing on
15, I would know that 15 is now open. This might be a tactical error, but it
is also cheating (a moral error) if I am claiming single op unassisted."



This is a non-issue. I don't need a scoreboard to tell me what band is hot.
Every DX contest, in the morning, I can hear the East Coast running EU at
high rates. There is no propagation from EU into the Midwest so I just have
to suck it up and plug along on the bands that are open into this area. The
scoreboard will only confirm what I already know.

In my opinion, the scoreboard is a tool to stimulate the "average" contester
to spend more time in the chair. I have participated in events where I would
have turned off the radio and gone to bed, but the competitor on the line
above or below me was still plugging away. I didn't want to come back in the
morning to find out they had surged ahead to a position I could no longer
challenge. The information kept me on the air longer. There was a small
surge of adrenaline each time the scoreboard updated and I saw my new
position.

The scoreboard is not going to change the positions of the top ten
contenders, no matter how much anyone thinks it will. If you think it will,
then the scoreboards should be removed from the horse race tracks too. We
could ask the jockeys how much influence the scoreboard has on the race
outcome or cheating?

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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