[CQ-Contest] Once again ON4KST

[Uwe Granzow]

I used "we" cause of working Multi-OP as DF0TEC or now DM0Y in the
VHF/UHF/SHF-tests, sri for the misunderstanding. You could see that I used
"I" as I wrote about operating on shortwave or using the Low-Band-Chat at
ON4KST. Pse have a look on the ON4KST-microwave-chat at the 1st weekend of
March, you'll see what's going on. And you can also look up if somebody
comes from packet (or IGATE) or direct via Internet. 

73s Uwe DL3BQA/DM0Y/DF0TEC

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:08:18 +0100
From: "Peter Voelpel" <df3kv at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Using ON4KST-chat
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Why do you say "we" if you mean I?
For me all that you decribe it is nothing else then cheating if one is
taking advantage of other means then the radio to get qsos

73
Peter 

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[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Uwe Granzow
Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2008 19:14
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Using ON4KST-chat

Hi out there,

I'm just a bit shocked about the cheating discussion especially by using
ON4KST-chat. I can hardly understand the discussion around the 160m-chat,
but to discuss it also for the microwave-test is too heavy. On SHF in Europe
this is the normal way to arrange QSOs, especially when your location is
remote. About 60% of our contest QSOs on 23cmtrs and higher are arranged via
PR or ON4KST-chat, but without cheating with reports and so on. Most of the
SHF-contesters use the chat, so where's the problem?
On SW (assisted) where's the problem using PR and/or the chat in contests?
It's only a way to arrange QSOs, not to exchange reports. If you work SO
assisted you need also time to handle PR and/or the chat, it looks like
doing SO2R, you need quick fingers and you must handle the rig and the
computer to arrange QSOs at once just like 2 radios. We're using PR mostly
on 23cmtrs and up, it's very helpfull. Outside the contests it's also a good
way to find new ones or just to say hello to fellows. So, it's something to
help you with ham radio, to have more fun, not for cheating.

73s Uwe DL3BQA/DM0Y/DF0TEC

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:08 -0500
From: Pete Smith <n4zr at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Using ON4KST-chat
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If European VHF and UHF contests allow the scheduling of QSOs by other than 
over-the-air means, then of course it's not cheating.  However, it strikes 
me as absurd to combine packet (one-way data, information only) and two-way 
liaison via Internet under the same category.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 01:13 PM 1/30/2008, Uwe Granzow wrote:
>Hi out there,
>
>I'm just a bit shocked about the cheating discussion especially by using
>ON4KST-chat. I can hardly understand the discussion around the 160m-chat,
>but to discuss it also for the microwave-test is too heavy. On SHF in
Europe
>this is the normal way to arrange QSOs, especially when your location is
>remote. About 60% of our contest QSOs on 23cmtrs and higher are arranged
via
>PR or ON4KST-chat, but without cheating with reports and so on. Most of the
>SHF-contesters use the chat, so where's the problem?
>On SW (assisted) where's the problem using PR and/or the chat in contests?
>It's only a way to arrange QSOs, not to exchange reports. If you work SO
>assisted you need also time to handle PR and/or the chat, it looks like
>doing SO2R, you need quick fingers and you must handle the rig and the
>computer to arrange QSOs at once just like 2 radios. We're using PR mostly
>on 23cmtrs and up, it's very helpfull. Outside the contests it's also a
good
>way to find new ones or just to say hello to fellows. So, it's something to
>help you with ham radio, to have more fun, not for cheating.
>
>73s Uwe DL3BQA/DM0Y/DF0TEC
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:21:57 -0800
From: "Kenneth E. Harker" <kenharker at kenharker.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Using ON4KST-chat
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Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
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